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Wed, Nov 11, 2026 Year 3, Winter 19

Al and Kevin talk about Plants Vs Zombies.

Timings

00:00:00: Theme Tune
00:00:30: Intro
00:01:52: What Have We Been Up To
00:08:21: Game News
00:38:23: Plants Vs Zombies
01:01:54: Outro

Links

Farm & Feast EA
Hammer & Harvest: Dwarven Roots Release
Ova Magica Console Release
Pokopia “Dazzling Decorations”
Let’s Build A Zoo “Amphibian Encounters”
Wholesome Snack 2026
Hamble’s Farming Game Collection
Plants Vs Zombies

Contact

Al on Mastodon: https://mastodon.scot/@TheScotBot
Email Us: https://harvestseason.club/contact/

Transcript

Theme Tune

(0s) Theme Tune:

I’ll see you next time

Intro

(30s) Al:

Hello, farmers, and welcome to another episode of The Harvest Season.

(35s)

My name is Al, and we are here today to talk about cottagecore games.

(36s) Kevin:

My name is Kevin.

(41s) Al:

Woo!

(41s) Kevin:

Woo!

(44s) Al:

This episode, we are going to talk about Plants vs. Zombies.

(49s) Kevin:

Mmm, I’ve heard of that game.

(50s) Al:

Specifically, specifically because the port to Switch, Plants vs. Zombies, replanted,

(58s)

was on a

(1m)

free game trial

(1m 2s)

in the UK so I

(1m 4s)

had that for like two days

(1m 6s)

I noticed really late

(1m 7s)

I didn’t get like the full week that you normally get

(1m 10s)

for these things because I noticed like the day

(1m 12s)

before it went down but I got it

(1m 14s)

and I played it and Kevin

(1m 16s)

has played it in the past I never

(1m 18s)

played it did you play it when it was a Facebook flash

(1m 20s)

game

(1m 20s)

oh

(1m 21s) Kevin:

No, I didn’t play it that far back.

(1m 23s)

I picked it up on mobile at some point.

(1m 23s) Al:

shocking

(1m 25s) Kevin:

But, you know, this will be interesting.

(1m 25s) Al:

so

(1m 28s)

yeah so it

(1m 30s)

we’re going to talk about that we’ll see

(1m 31s)

we’ll see where we go I don’t know

(1m 34s)

where I’m going with it but we’ll talk about it

(1m 36s)

we have some news

(1m 38s)

relatively quiet week

(1m 40s)

but I managed to find some stuff

(1m 42s)

stuff to talk about

(1m 43s) Kevin:

Yeah, stuff that appeals to me, and I have thoughts.

(1m 44s) Al:

yeah

(1m 48s)

but first of all

What Have We Been Up To

(1m 52s) Al:

Kevin what have you been up to?

(1m 54s) Kevin:

Um, not too much.

(1m 57s)

I’m switching jobs.

(1m 59s)

Woo.

(1m 59s)

That’s exciting.

(2m) Al:

as people are listening to this

(2m 1s) Kevin:

Um, so, um, I’m okay.

(2m 4s) Al:

you will be at your new job

(2m 5s) Kevin:

I suppose so.

(2m 5s) Al:

you suppose so

(2m 6s) Kevin:

Yeah.

(2m 7s)

So, uh, maybe.

(2m 9s) Al:

you start tomorrow

(2m 9s) Kevin:

Yeah.

(2m 10s)

Yeah.

(2m 10s)

You never know.

(2m 12s)

Uh, I do.

(2m 12s) Al:

Kevin

(2m 13s)

what do you think I’m releasing today

(2m 14s) Kevin:

I do.

(2m 15s)

But you never know.

(2m 15s) Al:

oh no that would be

(2m 16s) Kevin:

You never know what’s going to happen now.

(2m 19s)

Um, yeah.

(2m 22s)

But, uh, yeah.

(2m 24s)

Obviously, when you go to a new job, you’re hoping it’s better.

(2m 28s)

Um, it’s better for sure.

(2m 29s)

So that’s already on the up.

(2m 32s)

Some of the other stuff at the job, I’m not as thrilled about, but can’t be worse than

(2m 36s)

what I’ve been in, um, uh, except for the big soul thing.

(2m 41s)

Oh boy.

(2m 42s)

I have to get used to a commute again now.

(2m 44s)

Um, so my, the job I just left was literally walking distance from my place.

(2m 50s)

I get there in 25 minutes walking.

(2m 52s)

a five minute

(2m 54s)

10 minute drive depending on how many red lights

(2m 56s)

I run into

(2m 56s)

so you know that was great

(2m 57s) Al:

Yeah.

(3m) Kevin:

not having to stress about that

(3m 2s)

let me tell you that’s a great great feeling

(3m 4s)

and now

(3m 6s)

my new office is

(3m 8s)

about half an hour driving

(3m 9s)

on a good day without traffic

(3m 12s)

so that could go up to an

(3m 14s)

hour depending on the variables

(3m 16s)

at play

(3m 17s)

because Atlanta traffic is notoriously bad

(3m 20s)

so that’s

(3m 22s)

going to be a bit painful

(3m 24s)

will it be worth it

(3m 25s)

probably work life balance wasn’t

(3m 28s)

great last place so

(3m 29s)

you know some of that might be just

(3m 32s)

sitting in the car now but

(3m 34s)

but will still probably

(3m 36s)

be better overall work life balance

(3m 38s)

at least

(3m 40s)

I hope so

(3m 42s)

but yeah anyway so

(3m 44s)

that’s on sway crossing my fingers

(3m 46s)

for that stay tuned in slack

(3m 48s)

as I’m reporting

(3m 50s)

but that aside the

(3m 52s)

fun stuff

(3m 53s)

no

(3m 54s)

too too much

(3m 55s)

going on

(3m 56s)

this week

(3m 57s)

I’ve

(3m 57s)

kept up

(3m 58s)

with Obamagica

(4m)

our blob

(4m 1s)

farming game

(4m 2s)

um

(4m 3s)

and I’ll

(4m 3s)

you know

(4m 4s)

things are

(4m 5s)

progressing

(4m 6s)

and

(4m 8s)

blobbing

(4m 9s)

yep

(4m 9s)

blobbing along

(4m 10s)

uh

(4m 10s)

I do wish

(4m 12s)

this game

(4m 12s)

were on Switch

(4m 13s)

that’s the

(4m 14s)

constant thought

(4m 14s)

I’ve had

(4m 15s)

and the thought

(4m 16s) Al:

Well, maybe we’ll have something to say about that soon.

(4m 16s) Kevin:

I was really

(4m 17s)

on the fence

(4m 18s)

when I bought

(4m 18s)

the game

(4m 18s)

a couple weeks

(4m 19s)

ago

(4m 19s)

uh

(4m 20s)

I was about

(4m 21s) Al:

Who knows?

(4m 22s) Kevin:

to say

(4m 22s)

that yeah

(4m 23s)

put a pin

(4m 24s)

listeners

(4m 25s)

um

(4m 27s)

but yeah

(4m 27s)

otherwise

(4m 28s)

like I’m still

(4m 28s)

enjoying it

(4m 29s)

I’m still

(4m 29s)

playing it

(4m 30s)

uh

(4m 30s)

like I said

(4m 31s)

I’m starting

(4m 31s)

we get to a

(4m 32s)

point where

(4m 32s)

the game’s

(4m 34s)

picking up

(4m 34s)

and it’s

(4m 35s)

you know

(4m 35s)

what’s going

(4m 36s)

on

(4m 36s)

the

(4m 36s)

stuff I can

(4m 38s)

do

(4m 38s)

uh

(4m 39s)

so I keep

(4m 39s)

tuned

(4m 39s)

uh

(4m 40s)

other than

(4m 41s)

that

(4m 41s)

I picked

(4m 41s)

just randomly

(4m 43s)

I uh

(4m 44s)

was going

(4m 45s)

through my

(4m 45s)

games

(4m 45s)

um

(4m 46s)

I thought

(4m 47s)

Picross

(4m 48s)

uh

(4m 49s)

and I just

(4m 49s)

felt like

(4m 50s)

Diving Bang

(4m 50s)

and Picross

(4m 51s)

I’m doing a lot

(4m 51s)

of Picross

(4m 51s)

this week

(4m 52s) Al:

which one ah fair enough

(4m 52s) Kevin:

uh

(4m 52s)

the Rune Factory

(4m 53s)

one

(4m 54s)

uh

(4m 55s)

yeah

(4m 55s) Al:

think technically I think technically that’s not a picross that’s uh it’s a different one

(4m 56s) Kevin:

I know

(4m 56s)

there’s a lot

(4m 57s)

of varieties

(4m 57s)

but that

(4m 57s)

one’s just

(4m 58s)

there

(4m 58s)

you know

(4m 59s)

locked and

(4m 59s)

loaded

(4m 59s)

ready to

(5m)

go

(5m)

so

(5m)

it’s not

(5m 3s)

it’s

(5m 4s)

that was

(5m 4s)

a

(5m 4s)

Pixel

(5m 4s) Al:

pixel cross yeah that’s what it is yeah pixel cross yeah a nonogram

(5m 5s) Kevin:

Cross

(5m 6s)

or something

(5m 6s)

I don’t

(5m 7s)

remember

(5m 7s)

yeah

(5m 8s)

yeah

(5m 8s)

you know

(5m 9s)

they’re

(5m 9s)

off brand

(5m 10s)

name

(5m 10s)

um

(5m 11s)

exactly

(5m 12s)

either way

(5m 13s)

I don’t

(5m 13s)

like it

(5m 14s)

what can I

(5m 14s)

say

(5m 14s)

it’s the

(5m 14s)

game

(5m 15s)

it scratches

(5m 16s)

the itch

(5m 16s)

uh

(5m 17s)

other than

(5m 18s)

that

(5m 19s)

uh

(5m 19s)

I did

(5m 19s)

spend

(5m 20s)

like a

(5m 21s)

solid day

(5m 21s)

playing

(5m 22s)

Overcooked

(5m 22s)

with my

(5m 22s)

siblings

(5m 23s)

the other

(5m 24s)

a lot

(5m 24s)

of fun

(5m 25s)

uh

(5m 26s)

have you

(5m 27s)

played much

(5m 27s)

Overcooked

(5m 28s)

now

(5m 28s)

hmm

(5m 29s) Al:

No, but I understand the concept.

(5m 30s)

I’ve played similar games and stuff.

(5m 31s) Kevin:

you sure

(5m 33s)

well

(5m 33s)

it’s

(5m 34s)

you know

(5m 35s)

it’s very

(5m 35s)

straightforward

(5m 36s)

and

(5m 37s)

it’s

(5m 38s)

concept

(5m 38s)

so

(5m 38s)

if you know

(5m 39s)

you know

(5m 40s)

and uh

(5m 40s)

yeah

(5m 40s)

it’s a good

(5m 41s)

time we have

(5m 41s)

people to play

(5m 42s)

with it

(5m 42s)

yelling at

(5m 43s)

people

(5m 43s)

why’d you

(5m 44s)

drop the

(5m 44s)

rice

(5m 45s)

um

(5m 45s)

anyways

(5m 46s) Al:

you you you not played village in the shade yet kevin

(5m 46s) Kevin:

but that’s

(5m 46s)

all with me

(5m 47s)

nothing too

(5m 48s)

too terribly

(5m 48s)

exciting

(5m 49s)

Al what’s

(5m 49s)

going on

(5m 50s)

in your

(5m 50s)

neck of

(5m 50s)

the woods

(5m 51s)

great

(5m 53s) Al:

oh kevin kevin kevin

(5m 54s) Kevin:

I have

(5m 55s)

not

(5m 55s)

we’ll talk

(5m 56s)

about that

(5m 56s)

look

(5m 59s) Al:

I have obviously been playing plants versus zombies as I mentioned a couple days on that

(5m 59s) Kevin:

all we have

(5m 59s)

to do is do

(6m)

a little

(6m)

switcheroo

(6m 1s)

and over

(6m 1s)

magica

(6m 1s)

for a village

(6m 12s) Al:

I continued playing Harvest Moon Echoes of Teradia.

(6m 14s)

I was…

(6m 16s)

I was struggling to stop, not necessarily because it’s a good game, but just because it’s a thing in my brain.

(6m 23s) Kevin:

Mm-hmm, yeah.

(6m 23s) Al:

You know the feeling.

(6m 27s)

But I did pick up Village in the Shade, a game that we said we were going to play.

(6m 33s)

I have been playing that.

(6m 36s)

And it’s interesting.

(6m 40s)

I’m going to have a lot to say about this game.

(6m 44s)

I sacrificed a goat…

(6m 46s)

So that’s a thing that happened.

(6m 46s) Kevin:

Oh, that, you know, I don’t think that happens too frequently in our genre that we cover, generally speaking.

(6m 56s) Al:

I’m also a literal child.

(6m 58s) Kevin:

Yeah, there’s that, too. I was thinking about that.

(7m 2s) Al:

I’m going to have so much to talk about this game

(7m 4s)

because you are a literal child

(7m 6s)

and there are many things that you have to do

(7m 9s)

that are really not appropriate for actual…

(7m 13s)

you look maybe like, I can’t remember

(7m 16s)

if they say an age, but you feel like 9

(7m 18s)

or 10 at most, maybe younger

(7m 20s)

I might be a god

(7m 23s)

that bit is I’m unsure about

(7m 25s)

I think there’s going to be

(7m 28s)

a lot more on that, but there’s a

(7m 29s)

possibility that I am

(7m 31s)

a god

(7m 32s)

so I guess if I am a god

(7m 33s) Kevin:

Well, you know what? Interesting.

(7m 35s) Al:

then I guess the poll

(7m 37s)

everything is less inappropriate

(7m 39s)

but yeah, there’s a lot of

(7m 41s)

a lot of weird in this game

(7m 43s)

and I have thoughts

(7m 46s)

and I do really

(7m 48s)

want to get to the end of this game, but apparently

(7m 49s)

it takes like 70 to 80 hours

(7m 51s)

to finish the story

(7m 52s)

I have no idea if I’ll get there

(7m 53s) Kevin:

That’s that’s long. That’s a beefy game.

(7m 57s) Al:

I guess we’ll see, I’m about

(7m 59s)

25 hours in just now

(8m 1s)

so we’ll see

(8m 3s)

obviously I will have thoughts about how the game plays

(8m 5s)

in general, but I will mainly

(8m 7s)

have a lot of thoughts about

(8m 9s)

the story

(8m 11s)

I think it’s going to have to be quite a

(8m 12s) Kevin:

Yeah.

(8m 13s) Al:

it’s going to have to be quite a spoiler

(8m 16s)

episode when we cover that

(8m 17s) Kevin:

Yeah.

(8m 18s) Al:

whenever that might end up being

Game News

(8m 20s) Al:

alright, that’s what we’ve been up to

(8m 22s)

we’re going to go through

(8m 24s)

some news

(8m 25s)

first up, Farm and Feast

Farm & Feast

(8m 28s) Al:

a game I am very excited for

(8m 30s)

they have announced

(8m 32s)

that their release, which is happening

(8m 33s)

on the 11th of November

(8m 35s)

which I think actually might be the day

(8m 37s)

this episode comes out

(8m 38s)

yes it is

(8m 39s)

it’s actually going to be early access

(8m 41s)

boo

(8m 42s)

they say

(8m 44s)

we are

(8m 46s)

can I just pause here and say right early access doesn’t mean we’re going to make updates right like you know you know you can add stuff to the game after you’ve released it right it doesn’t you don’t have to make it early access

(9m 5s) Kevin:

I was gonna say that

(9m 6s)

Yeah

(9m 8s)

I was gonna say that and let’s be real

(9m 10s)

There’s probably a

(9m 12s)

Element of wanting that extra

(9m 15s)

Little push cause you know

(9m 16s)

When early access comes and then when it

(9m 18s)

Hits quote unquote 1.0 I’m sure there’s a big

(9m 19s) Al:

I would, yeah, I was, I was wondering if that’s, that’s the case. Like, yeah, do they, are they doing it now because you get two releases, essentially? Is that, is it an SEO thing?

(9m 31s) Kevin:

Yeah, I think that’s exactly what it is.

(9m 35s)

Just looking at the trailers, I mean, it looks like a complete game.

(9m 39s) Al:

the demo felt like a complete game just on like just obviously it stops you after a while like i

(9m 44s)

do not understand why this is going to be early access at all we ultimately decided on early

(9m 48s)

access because it gives us the chance to make farm and feast a much deeper and richer experience

(9m 52s)

okay I mean have you seen how much stardew is added you don’t and and I also think like stardew

(9m 59s)

gets that when they release updates like they get a lot of press because they have like I don’t i

(10m 5s) Kevin:

Yeah, they get a bump, but it is stardew.

(10m 6s) Al:

don’t think you need, I don’t, yeah, I

(10m 9s)

just don’t think you need that

(10m 10s)

I think it’s, I think

(10m 13s)

part of the problem is that

(10m 15s)

if you do early access, I think

(10m 17s)

there are then expectations on what the

(10m 19s)

1.0 will be, right, like if we look

(10m 21s)

at, if we take Coral Island

(10m 22s)

I think if Coral Island had released their early

(10m 25s)

access as 1.0 and then

(10m 27s)

what their 1.0 was was just

(10m 29s)

a later on, I don’t

(10m 30s)

feel like I would have been as harsh on the 1.0

(10m 33s)

release as I was, my biggest

(10m 34s) Kevin:

Yeah.

(10m 35s) Al:

issues with the 1.0 release was it

(10m 36s)

still didn’t feel like they had finished.

(10m 40s)

Um, and so they got into that problem where I think if they hadn’t done early access,

(10m 45s)

they wouldn’t have felt rushed into that.

(10m 47s)

They felt rushed because they needed, they felt like they needed to say we are no longer

(10m 52s)

an early access.

(10m 53s)

Right.

(10m 55s)

And so I don’t, I think there’s a balance to be had here.

(11m)

And I just, I’m wondering if as, uh, just as gamers in general, we need to have a discussion

(11m 7s)

about what the point of early access

(11m 9s)

is because it feels like nobody

(11m 10s)

agrees on

(11m 12s)

what it means like is it

(11m 14s)

is it oh I have an idea for a game

(11m 17s)

here’s like this very

(11m 18s)

quick proof of concept as we’ve seen in some

(11m 21s)

cases or is it oh

(11m 23s)

I have

(11m 24s)

a core gameplay loop that I’m really

(11m 27s)

happy with but I’d like to test with

(11m 29s)

a lot of people to see how it

(11m 30s)

should change or is

(11m 33s)

it my game is pretty

(11m 35s)

much done as a

(11m 37s)

fundamental thing and we just need

(11m 39s)

to we want to add more content

(11m 41s)

and I want to release now because I want

(11m 42s)

people to be able to access the game early

(11m 45s)

or is it

(11m 46s)

the game is pretty much done entirely

(11m 49s)

and we just want to

(11m 51s)

add a few more things into it but we want

(11m 52s)

we didn’t this feels to me like

(11m 55s)

they wanted to delay

(11m 56s)

but they wanted the money

(11m 57s)

they’re like oh we don’t think

(12m 1s)

the game’s ready

(12m 2s)

but we don’t want to delay and so

(12m 5s)

instead of delaying we’ll just do early

(12m 8s) Kevin:

Yeah, that’s exactly what it feels like.

(12m 10s)

And unfortunately, I don’t think we’ll ever get a nailed down definition of what early access is.

(12m 16s)

And there are lots of different developers will do this and use it for all those other scenarios you listed.

(12m 25s)

In my mind, an early access should basically be a public beta for an unreleased game.

(12m 32s)

But, you know, that’s just me.

(12m 34s) Al:

Well, and then there’s the other the other definition that the triple A’s are using, which is, oh, you literally like it’s literally early access.

(12m 42s)

You get pay more money and you get it three days early.

(12m 46s) Kevin:

Ha, ha, ha.

(12m 46s) Al:

You know, like I just I feel like I I I I just don’t think we know what we we don’t agree on what this means.

(12m 55s)

And I think that leads to expectation problems on on all ends here.

(12m 59s) Kevin:

oh yeah

(13m)

yeah

(13m 1s) Al:

And I think it’s bad for everybody.

(13m 2s) Kevin:

yeah

(13m 3s)

ultimately I think it’s

(13m 6s)

the dead like I think

(13m 8s)

it’s this basically specific scenario

(13m 10s)

that’s going to suffer the worst

(13m 12s)

um well I say

(13m 14s)

the worst I don’t know how much they’ll suffer but

(13m 15s)

it looks the least good let’s say

(13m 18s)

that um right because

(13m 19s)

the game’s ready and

(13m 22s)

it just like I said it really just feels like

(13m 24s)

they just want to release

(13m 26s)

twice or whatever um

(13m 28s) Al:

Yeah, but the problem here is when do I play this now?

(13m 29s) Kevin:

Yeah

(13m 30s) Al:

Do I play this in early access or not?

(13m 31s)

Because I feel like their early access is not going to be long, right?

(13m 34s)

Like this feels like it’s going to be like a Star Sand Island early access.

(13m 35s) Kevin:

Yeah

(13m 38s) Al:

It’s going to be six months and then it will be out fully.

(13m 39s) Kevin:

Yeah

(13m 41s) Al:

And so my question is, do I do it now or do I do it later?

(13m 44s)

Because I don’t think I’m going to do it now and then play this game and then come back to it.

(13m 48s) Kevin:

Yeah, yeah, that’s

(13m 49s) Al:

They say expect 12 months, they say.

(13m 50s) Kevin:

Yeah

(13m 54s) Al:

I don’t know.

(13m 56s)

Like, I don’t know when to play this game.

(13m 58s)

Same now.

(13m 59s) Kevin:

Well, you know, me and I mean like my rules pretty pretty firm. It’s early access. I just wait. There’s no shortage of other stuff

(14m 6s) Al:

so so they’ve listed how is the full version planned to differ from the early access version

(14m 11s)

we plan to add a new village area to explore home decoration so you can make your own home cozy

(14m 18s)

and co-op so you can run the farm and restaurant with friends obviously I do not care about co-op

(14m 22s)

I generally don’t care about home decoration but this new village area what does that mean

(14m 27s)

like is that gonna change like the core game like I i want to know what what this what that new

(14m 36s)

area means right because that’s the I think that’s the only thing that i’m hesitating on do I want to

(14m 40s)

play this and actually maybe maybe I maybe I do play this in early access because i’d already planned

(14m 42s) Kevin:

Yeah, that’s a good point.

(14m 47s) Al:

to play it and i’m not particularly interested in the other stuff they want to add

(14m 53s) Kevin:

I don’t like the sound of that either.

(14m 55s)

It sounds like going away from the core experience

(15m 1s)

instead of just enhancing it, just adding stuff.

(15m 1s) Al:

Yeah, it makes it sound like the game, yeah, I agree.

(15m 4s)

It makes it sound like the game’s just, they’re trying to do everything.

(15m 8s) Kevin:

Yep, which we’ve seen so many times,

(15m 10s)

How many games do?

(15m 12s)

And that’s not bueno.

(15m 13s)

Don’t do that.

(15m 14s) Al:

The co-op’s fine. I think the co-op is fine to add. Like, I can see how this would be fun as co-op. I don’t care about that. But I can see how some people would enjoy the co-op. But that doesn’t need to be a 1.0, right? Like, Stardew didn’t have multiplayer at the start. I don’t think you need to have multiplayer at the start. You can add it later on. If people really enjoy your game, they’re going to come back for it.

(15m 14s) Kevin:

Don’t do that.

(15m 16s)

Sure.

(15m 17s)

Yeah, yeah, of course.

(15m 21s)

Yeah, agreed.

(15m 23s)

Sure, sure.

(15m 25s)

I think…

(15m 27s)

No, not at all.

(15m 34s)

Nope. Yeah, that’s a genuine like, yeah, that’s a genuine update that’ll get people back for sure.

(15m 43s) Al:

So, yeah, I don’t…

(15m 44s)

The home decoration, I don’t care.

(15m 47s) Kevin:

Now, again, feels very removed from the poor appeal.

(15m 55s) Al:

especially especially funny because I don’t remember the being a home like I i feel like

(15m 59s)

you just say i’m you close the shop and then that’s it so what is the home what why do I need

(16m 6s)

a home now like that’s when gonna add a whole different part of the game do I want that like I i like how

(16m 7s) Kevin:

Mm-hmm.

(16m 10s)

Mm-hmm.

(16m 13s) Al:

focused this game is in what it does well that’ll give us more episodes to talk about

(16m 15s) Kevin:

Yeah, I agree.

(16m 17s)

Yeah.

(16m 18s)

And we’ll see.

(16m 22s) Al:

next up

Hammer & Harvest: Dwarven Roots

(16m 25s) Al:

Hammer and Harvest Dwarven Roots

(16m 26s)

so this is the game that went on Kickstarter

(16m 28s)

and then the Kickstarter failed

(16m 30s)

but they said they were going to scale down

(16m 32s)

the game and release early

(16m 34s)

because of that and it turns out

(16m 36s)

early is the 3rd of December

(16m 38s)

so less than a month

(16m 39s) Kevin:

That’s real early.

(16m 40s) Al:

so I guess they had

(16m 42s)

a game and they

(16m 44s)

wanted to expand

(16m 46s)

it more with the Kickstarter and then when the

(16m 48s)

Kickstarter didn’t happen they went oh well this is

(16m 50s)

a good enough game to sell let’s see

(16m 52s)

how if it’s successful then you can add more

(16m 55s) Kevin:

yeah we’ll see I mean it looks polished enough I hope this does well I hope they are able to

(17m 4s) Al:

Kevin over Magica

Ova Magica

(17m 9s) Kevin:

Yes.

(17m 9s) Al:

is coming to Switch to PS5

(17m 12s)

and Xbox on the 10th of

(17m 14s)

November Tuesday. It’s coming on Tuesday

(17m 14s) Kevin:

I know, Al.

(17m 16s) Al:

Kevin.

(17m 19s) Kevin:

I’m…

(17m 19s)

Like, when I was getting it,

(17m 25s)

I was really on the fence.

(17m 27s)

Because I just… I don’t know.

(17m 29s)

The Steam game was out, and it was doing well,

(17m 31s)

and they had talked about…

(17m 34s)

Was it supposed to be, like, July or September?

(17m 37s)

I don’t remember when.

(17m 39s)

Switch 2 version was going to come out.

(17m 42s)

But they delayed it with no date.

(17m 44s)

And then they just dropped it.

(17m 46s)

Like I said.

(17m 46s)

How can I.

(17m 49s)

Can I copy paste my files.

(17m 51s)

From Steam and Switch.

(17m 53s) Al:

If only, if only.

(17m 53s) Kevin:

I want that.

(17m 56s) Al:

We want Steam on the Switch.

(17m 56s) Kevin:

Yeah okay.

(17m 58s)

Yeah.

(17m 59s)

Wouldn’t that be something.

(18m 1s)

Okay I mean.

(18m 3s)

The game is solid so far.

(18m 5s)

I’ll say that.

(18m 6s)

And the controller supports great.

(18m 9s)

And I just wish I could play it on the go.

(18m 11s)

Like that’s it.

(18m 12s)

That’s why I want it on the Switch.

(18m 13s)

That’s the big thing.

(18m 15s)

Yeah.

(18m 16s)

Lucky people who get it on Switch.

(18m 18s)

Because it will feel real good there.

(18m 21s)

Yeah I don’t know.

(18m 22s)

There’s the other versions too.

(18m 23s) Al:

yes yeah they’re releasing deluxe and ultimate versions there there’s a an outfit dlc there’s an

(18m 24s) Kevin:

Deluxe Ultimate stuff.

(18m 25s)

I’m probably not going to get that.

(18m 32s) Al:

art book and there’s a ost it doesn’t I mean if you really care about the game then that’s fine

(18m 38s)

but it doesn’t sound like it’s stuff that you really need no

(18m 40s) Kevin:

it’s not make or break certainly not um I don’t know if I care that much uh

(18m 42s) Al:

they will have more information on dlc in the future

(18m 46s) Kevin:

I mean good for you over magic on this is all the game darn it’s on sale right now i

(18m 55s)

bought it not on sale gosh darn it um the worst of all worlds um

(19m 1s) Al:

bought it not on sale on a

(19m 3s)

system you didn’t

(19m 5s)

want it on in the first place.

(19m 6s) Kevin:

Exactly.

(19m 7s) Al:

Great success.

(19m 9s) Kevin:

Speaking of great successes.

Pokopia

(19m 11s) Al:

Pocopia.

(19m 12s) Kevin:

Mm-hmm.

(19m 13s) Al:

We have more information

(19m 15s)

on the next

(19m 16s)

DLC, Dazzling

(19m 18s)

Decorations. It is coming

(19m 21s)

on the 9th of

(19m 22s)

December.

(19m 25s)

They say part two of the Pokemon

(19m 26s)

Pocopia Expansion Pass, Dazzling

(19m 28s)

Decorations is on the way, arriving

(19m 31s)

December 9th, 2026.

(19m 33s)

With the release of part two, players that

(19m 34s)

purchased the Pokemon Pocopia

(19m 37s)

Expansion Pass paid DLC

(19m 39s)

will be able to dress

(19m 40s)

Ditto and their Pokemon neighbours in an

(19m 43s)

array of accessories. Additionally,

(19m 45s)

more Pokemon and new items

(19m 46s)

will be available. Before beginning

(19m 48s)

Dazzling Decorations, players must

(19m 50s)

first complete important requests

(19m 53s)

in Withered Wasteland,

(19m 55s)

including raise the environment level,

(19m 57s)

rebuild the Pokemon Centre,

(19m 58s)

and Drifloons Find a Doll

(20m 1s)

quest. So it’s obviously, it’s going to be

(20m 3s)

a

(20m 3s)

Dream Island based

(20m 5s)

thing then.

(20m 5s) Kevin:

Yeah, sure.

(20m 8s) Al:

How are you feeling about this

(20m 10s)

upcoming

(20m 11s)

DLC? You want to put bows on

(20m 15s)

everyone? Wear sunglasses?

(20m 16s) Kevin:

Well, first of all, did we talk about Applin last week?

(20m 19s)

Was that out when we were recording?

(20m 19s) Al:

No, no, but that’s

(20m 20s)

next in the list. That’s next in the list,

(20m 21s) Kevin:

Yeah, okay.

(20m 22s)

Well, okay, all right.

(20m 23s)

All right, all right, all right, okay.

(20m 25s)

Because, I mean, chronologically, Applin happens.

(20m 27s)

But anyways, am I excited about this?

(20m 29s)

I’ll have to see.

(20m 30s)

I guess it’s the nature, maybe, of the accessories.

(20m 32s)

Because looking down all the photos that they released, which they showed in one of the trailers,

(20m 38s)

you have bows, like Sylveon bows.

(20m 40s)

You have sunglasses.

(20m 41s)

You have other bows.

(20m 44s) Al:

Yeah.

(20m 46s) Kevin:

A big variety, and yeah, I’m sure that’ll be fine.

(20m 49s)

Who knows how big that catalog of accessories will be.

(20m 54s)

Could be fun.

(20m 55s)

We’ll see.

(20m 56s) Al:

On top of exploring new towns, befriending

(20m 57s)

more Pokemon, wearing new accessories and discovering

(20m 59s)

new items, player who purchased the expansion pass

(21m 1s)

will receive additional gifts. Oh, that’s, we already

(21m 3s)

knew about that stuff. Now, where’s the bit? There’s a bit

(21m 5s) Kevin:

There are.

(21m 5s) Al:

about, there’s more, they’ve announced there’s new Pokemon

(21m 7s)

coming, right? I missed that bit.

(21m 9s) Kevin:

That’s probably the most exciting part.

(21m 11s)

I think they said around at least 20 new Pokemon.

(21m 14s) Al:

It’s not in this one at all

(21m 16s)

for some reason.

(21m 17s) Kevin:

Yeah.

(21m 20s)

Wait, what do you mean?

(21m 21s) Al:

In this, in this

(21m 22s)

article that I’m looking at.

(21m 23s) Kevin:

Yeah.

(21m 24s)

Oh, yeah, it is weird they don’t mention it.

(21m 26s)

We don’t know the full list.

(21m 28s)

We do have a few.

(21m 29s)

Obviously, Snubble, the kind of cover guy,

(21m 32s)

who would probably be the Pokemon engages

(21m 35s)

the quest for the accessories.

(21m 37s)

We have Skiddy, I believe,

(21m 39s)

is one of the new ones.

(21m 40s) Al:

Yep.

(21m 40s) Kevin:

Doduo, which felt like a big omission

(21m 42s) Al:

Yep.

(21m 43s) Kevin:

from the original.

(21m 44s)

Can I decorate both of the heads?

(21m 44s) Al:

Oh, yeah, the most exciting Pokémon.

(21m 47s)

Where could my Dodo possibly be?

(21m 47s) Kevin:

Right.

(21m 50s)

Yeah, exactly.

(21m 51s)

Can I put separate accessories on each head?

(21m 54s)

This is a critical question

(21m 55s)

that I need answered.

(21m 56s) Al:

No, no, Kevin.

(21m 57s)

Kevin, you’ve missed the most important thing about Doduo.

(21m 59s) Kevin:

Yeah.

(22m) Al:

Does it fly in-game?

(22m 2s) Kevin:

No.

(22m 3s) Al:

If it doesn’t fly in-game, I don’t want it.

(22m 5s) Kevin:

No, no, you’re right.

(22m 9s)

And it’s not going to L,

(22m 10s)

but you’re right.

(22m 13s)

I wouldn’t give for that.

(22m 16s)

Oh.

(22m 19s)

Yeah.

(22m 20s)

But we’ll see.

(22m 21s)

I’m more excited by the new Pokemon,

(22m 23s)

all the houses and habitats I can build.

(22m 26s)

But the accessories will be cute,

(22m 28s)

I’m sure, for some.

(22m 29s)

I’ll give Squirtle those sunglasses

(22m 30s)

because, you know, it’s flat out full.

(22m 32s) Al:

Yeah, well, he is in one of the pictures, so it’s not the right sunglasses for Squirtle Squad, but we’ll give them a pass.

(22m 38s) Kevin:

It’s not. They’re not the round ones.

(22m 40s) Al:

I’m going to assume there’s a lot more than what they’ve shown us in terms of decoration, right?

(22m 43s) Kevin:

I also will assume

(22m 44s) Al:

Because it’s a whole part of the DLC, and all it is is more decorations plus a few more Pokémon.

(22m 52s)

Like, that feels like there has to be a lot, and I feel like they’re just showing us a few so that then the internet will just be covered by, like, oh, it’s this and this and this.

(22m 56s) Kevin:

Yeah.

(23m 1s)

Mm-hmm.

(23m 3s)

I mean, and historically,

(23m 5s)

Pocopia has been very good about that,

(23m 7s)

not showing their hands

(23m 8s)

and having very hardy updates and content.

(23m 11s)

So I also expect we’ll get a good amount.

(23m 16s)

You know, tune in in a couple weeks

(23m 17s)

when I’m screaming about how

(23m 18s)

I’m putting separate accessories

(23m 21s)

on every single Pokemon.

(23m 23s) Al:

But before the next DLC drops, we have the Apples to Applin event from the 16th of November to the 1st of December.

(23m 31s)

All Pokemon Pocopia players can participate in the Apples to Applin event.

(23m 35s)

During this event, Applin, the Applecore Pokemon, is coming to town.

(23m 39s)

And like most Pokemon, they have a request for Ditto.

(23m 43s)

Collect syrupy apples and exchange them for fun items, including apple-themed furniture.

(23m 48s)

You can use those items to build habitats that appeal to Flapple, Appleton, Diplin, and Hydrapple as well.

(23m 53s)

Is this the most we got in one event?

(23m 57s) Kevin:

Yep that’s a big line yep it’s a wild how like we know we don’t talk about it but gen 7/8 like the latest to gens or 8/9 whatever else um we get this new line of Apple Pokemon just keeps growing and growing um it’s great yeah yeah I agree um.

(23m 57s) Al:

Because Applin is such a big line.

(24m 13s)

I love it.

(24m 13s)

Give me more.

(24m 14s)

Give me more Applins.

(24m 16s)

Because they just, I think,

(24m 18s)

I personally think the designs

(24m 19s)

keep getting better as well.

(24m 20s)

Like, don’t get me wrong.

(24m 22s)

Applin, Flapple, and Appleton,

(24m 25s)

good Pokemon.

(24m 26s)

Diplin, even better.

(24m 28s)

Hydrapple, okay, just perfect.

(24m 32s)

Amazing.

(24m 32s) Kevin:

yeah eyedraples

(24m 33s) Al:

So if we keep going like that,

(24m 34s) Kevin:

who knows we’ll reach the biblically accurate apple soon enough

(24m 36s) Al:

where do we stop?

(24m 41s) Kevin:

very fun this is clearly our Thanksgiving event

(24m 49s)

I thought it was going to start with the release of the DLC

(24m 52s)

kind of like how the Melodic and Phoebus event started with the DLC release

(24m 57s)

but this is before which is kind of weird

(24m 58s)

um

(24m 59s) Al:

Are apples linked to Thanksgiving?

(25m 2s) Kevin:

I think it’s general fall harvest and food stuff

(25m 6s)

um there’s apple pie

(25m 6s) Al:

Okay.

(25m 8s) Kevin:

yeah like it’s not a strong link but you know close enough

(25m 12s)

there’s food it’s harvesty it’s fall

(25m 14s)

um

(25m 15s) Al:

Well, that’s the fun thing, is this adds a whole new fruit to the game as well,

(25m 15s) Kevin:

yeah yeah that’s a big deal

(25m 18s) Al:

because I don’t think we had apples before.

(25m 19s) Kevin:

yeah and it’s

(25m 21s) Al:

There you go, syrupy apples specifically, apparently.

(25m 22s) Kevin:

yeah

(25m 23s) Al:

I don’t know why we’re limiting it to one of the three apple types, but okay.

(25m 24s) Kevin:

yeah

(25m 27s)

interesting it’s not uh or

(25m 30s)

It’s the first non-berry tree

(25m 32s)

too

(25m 32s)

You got me there

(25m 34s) Al:

Um, actually, an apple is a berry.

(25m 37s)

Thank you all.

(25m 40s) Kevin:

I know we had the other crops

(25m 42s)

too so that’s not that crazy

(25m 44s)

but it’s the first new tree which is cool

(25m 46s)

The

(25m 49s)

items look fun

(25m 51s)

kitchen food stuff

(25m 53s)

basket of apples

(25m 54s)

I don’t know

(25m 56s)

it’s like some kind of food processor

(25m 58s)

that also looks like Applin

(25m 59s)

I love that

(26m)

I would buy that if they sold

(26m 2s)

that for real

(26m 3s) Al:

yeah the accessories all look good

(26m 3s) Kevin:

yeah

(26m 5s) Al:

you’ve got a pie

(26m 6s) Kevin:

scale

(26m 6s) Al:

you’ve got a bowl

(26m 7s)

you’ve got a basket of apples

(26m 9s)

you’ve got an apple on a plate

(26m 10s) Kevin:

yeah it’s just

(26m 11s) Al:

I guess that’s not an accessory

(26m 12s)

that’s just the apple on a plate

(26m 14s)

and then a wall-mounted utilities hook

(26m 14s) Kevin:

the apple

(26m 15s)

yeah

(26m 20s) Al:

with a ladle

(26m 22s)

a spatula

(26m 23s)

a different spatula

(26m 26s) Kevin:

different special oh there you go yeah the oven mitt with the apples when those apples on whatever

(26m 27s) Al:

what I would call a fish slice

(26m 30s)

and an oven glove

(26m 36s) Kevin:

it’s all applin themed kitchen stuff i’d buy I love it I love this family good event very excited

(26m 38s) Al:

good fun yeah yeah I think this is I might i’ve not done the last couple of events because they’ve

(26m 45s)

just not been particularly interested but I think I might I think I might do this one do you think

(26m 48s) Kevin:

or throw

(26m 49s) Al:

do you think we’re gonna start recycling events next year you think they’re all they’re all time

(26m 50s) Kevin:

uh I do

(26m 53s)

uh I think

(26m 55s)

yeah I think

(26m 56s) Al:

to completely the same time of year every each year

(26m 58s)

I think the the thing that makes me think it is going to happen that way is because these

(27m) Kevin:

it’s gonna be Animal Crossing as

(27m 1s)

it happens

(27m 2s)

um

(27m 8s) Al:

are only available during the event time

(27m 9s)

and and the whole point of pokemon has got to catch them all right

(27m 10s) Kevin:

exactly yeah um not that yeah to be fair like they could release you know another developer

(27m 18s)

island with all the event items uh that would be another way to circumvent it but I don’t expect it

(27m 23s) Al:

That doesn’t get you the Pokemon, all the Pokemon, because they’re not all through habitats.

(27m 24s) Kevin:

I i think they are

(27m 30s) Al:

No, because the main Pokemon that you get for each of them, like Applin and Jirachi and Sableye, etc., they just come, they just appear.

(27m 40s) Kevin:

Yeah, okay. Yes, okay. In the, via the event, you’re correct. You do not generate those Poglong habitats, but they still have a habitat linked to them to generate them.

(27m 50s) Al:

Ish. Okay. Do they?

(27m 52s) Kevin:

Yes.

(27m 52s) Al:

Oh, okay. Interesting.

(27m 54s)

So if you got the items for that, you could, okay.

(27m 54s) Kevin:

I can confirm, because you can bring, you can bring them to Cloud Islands, which they do. The Cloud Islands obviously do not have the events going on, but I’ve spawned them there because I knew the linked habitat, and…

(28m 6s) Al:

All right. Fair enough. Fair enough. My bad. I have been corrected.

(28m 10s)

I need to also correct myself. Apple is not a berry. I mucked that one up. It’s not fleshy.

(28m 14s) Kevin:

Oh.

(28m 16s) Al:

Sorry. Sorry. However, however, it’s Pokemon. They call everything a berry.

(28m 25s) Kevin:

Is there an…

(28m 26s)

What’s the Appleberry?

(28m 28s)

Is there one for that? Because you know they have all the

(28m 30s)

names.

(28m 31s) Al:

no I think it’s just they just have the apples because they brought them in with appling right

(28m 35s)

I guess I guess maybe a leper maybe but it’s not really an apple though

(28m 35s) Kevin:

Yeah, I know. I’m just wondering.

(28m 37s)

Isn’t there an Appleberry in Pokemon?

(28m 39s)

Lepa! Lepa! I’m an idiot!

(28m 42s) Al:

oh I see what you mean I see what you mean yeah yeah yeah yeah but yeah it’s not it’s

(28m 43s) Kevin:

Yeah, I know. It’s just

(28m 44s)

the name because they’re all just remixes of

(28m 46s)

fruit names. That’s all.

(28m 48s)

Yeah, that’s Lepa.

(28m 50s)

I’m dummy.

(28m 50s) Al:

not really an apple though whereas they brought actual actual just apples in

(28m 52s) Kevin:

Yeah, no.

(28m 55s)

Yeah. Oh, God.

(28m 57s)

I’m hyped for apples. I’m hyped for apples.

(29m)

They’re only showing

(29m)

Hydrapple with the one head. Where’s all the

(29m 3s)

other ones? Come on.

(29m 4s) Al:

i’m sure i’m sure the other heads will pop out during uh gameplay finishing up the kevin trilogy

(29m 8s) Kevin:

Yeah.

(29m 9s)

Absolutely.

Let’s Build A Zoo

(29m 12s) Al:

of news updates let’s build a zoo have announced amphibians encounters dlc

(29m 20s) Kevin:

that threw me for a loop I you know this is a game I pick up here and there but I go go ahead

(29m 26s) Al:

Prepare to fill your zoo with all sorts of new slippery friends.

(29m 30s)

With 50 new variants of amphibians joining the pool.

(29m 34s)

There are also new shops, enclosures, decorations, enrichment items, plants and more.

(29m 38s)

Alongside a brand new dedicated research tree.

(29m 41s)

We designed the research tree in line with the new DLC items.

(29m 45s)

So you can easily keep track of all your new unlocks.

(29m 49s)

Here are the animals set to make an unfrog-gettable splash as part of the amphibian encounter’s launch.

(29m 56s)

Frogs, salamander, newt, kaecillion and axolotls.

(30m 4s)

We’ve loved bringing this new content to life and can’t wait to see how you expand your existing zoos.

(30m 8s)

To include a bunch of new water-loving friends.

(30m 11s)

This DLC will be smaller in skill than the previous Dinosaur Island and Aquarium Odyssey DLC expansions.

(30m 16s)

But allows us to continue adding new content and keep expanding the world of Let’s Build a Zoo.

(30m 20s)

Stay tuned for more details as we prepare for launch at the start of 2020.

(30m 27s)

Alongside this, Kevin, they’re also releasing a free update for all players at the start of 2027.

(30m 33s)

The anteater-versary update.

(30m 37s)

This free update will be available at the start of 2027 and we wanted to do something extra special to celebrate the 5th 5-year anniversary.

(30m 45s)

We asked you which animal needed to make their way into Let’s Build a Zoo and there was one critter that kept popping up.

(30m 50s)

So there’s another new addition heading your way anteaters.

(30m 54s)

Also some new shops, decorations, a new subway lamp.

(30m 56s)

And this is a big one, a new mass move feature, Kevin.

(31m 1s) Kevin:

fake I wonder how it’s going to work uh it’s probably one of the most painful not painful

(31m 5s)

but awkward parts of being able to move stuff um well first of all I was shocked because i

(31m 8s) Al:

How do we feel?

(31m 11s) Kevin:

genuinely thought this game was done and done um but uh I guess it’s still doing numbers to do an

(31m 17s)

update five years in uh I mean i’ll play I still play it I don’t talk about it very often but it’s

(31m 22s)

a game i’ll frequently throw on in the background um or you know whatever well I just get an itch

(31m 29s)

for it because it’s, you know,

(31m 31s)

very well done management simulator thing.

(31m 35s) Al:

Well, maybe it’s going to be your January

(31m 37s)

2027 game. Who knows?

(31m 39s) Kevin:

I guess so.

(31m 40s) Al:

Maybe not. Maybe not.

(31m 41s)

Maybe it won’t be in January. It says early 2027.

(31m 43s) Kevin:

Yeah.

(31m 45s)

This is a decently sized patch too.

(31m 48s)

All these animals are very cool.

(31m 50s)

I’m kind of shocked they didn’t have a lot of these,

(31m 52s)

like the frogs and eaters.

(31m 54s)

Very fun.

(31m 54s)

Love those things.

(31m 58s)

Yeah.

(31m 58s)

But I mean, it’s more of the same, you know,

(32m 1s)

of the game.

(32m 1s)

It’s, you know, it is,

(32m 2s)

we’re not changing any fundamental gameplay loops or anything.

(32m 5s)

The mass move function, hopefully helpful.

(32m 8s)

But space is as an issue as it is.

(32m 10s)

And let’s build this.

(32m 11s)

So who knows how to work?

(32m 13s)

Maybe it’ll be good.

(32m 14s)

Cause the key thing is like,

(32m 15s)

I wish I could just swap areas as opposed to,

(32m 18s)

you know, lifting and moving it.

(32m 20s)

But, but I don’t know if it’ll solve that.

(32m 20s) Al:

Yeah.

(32m 22s)

No. I mean, Massmove does

(32m 24s)

feel, presumably you’d have to have the space

(32m 26s)

to swap areas, but if you’ve got

(32m 27s) Kevin:

Mm-hmm.

(32m 28s) Al:

the space, then it certainly makes it a lot

(32m 31s) Kevin:

Mm-hmm.

(32m 32s)

So yeah.

(32m 32s)

Very keen.

(32m 33s)

This will get me to play for sure.

(32m 35s)

It’s not that it’s hard to get me.

(32m 37s)

Well, let’s build the zoo.

(32m 37s) Al:

Oh, no, I have to play the game.

(32m 44s) Kevin:

Yeah.

(32m 45s)

Well, good for you.

(32m 46s)

Let’s build the zoo.

(32m 47s)

Again, genuinely shocked.

(32m 48s)

I guess they’re just stalling for time.

(32m 50s)

Let’s build a dungeon or let’s make it into whatever things called.

(32m 53s)

It’s taking longer than they thought.

(32m 55s) Al:

Is that not out yet?

(32m 56s) Kevin:

No, I think one of the things is that when this drops, they’ll release more info, but

(33m 1s)

I think one of the things is that when this drops, they’ll release more info about that, too.

(33m 1s) Al:

They say it’s releasing on the 11th of February next year.

(33m 6s)

We’ll see.

Wholesome Snack

(33m 9s) Al:

We have two smaller pieces of news.

(33m 12s)

First up.

(33m 13s) Kevin:

A new episode of Harvest Season announced.

(33m 16s) Al:

Yes, the Wholesome Snack 2026 will happen on the 5th of December.

(33m 25s)

So I’m sure we will do an episode talking all about what that has.

(33m 29s)

Oh, in fact, when is the 5th of December?

(33m 30s)

That is a, that’s a Saturday.

(33m 33s)

So I don’t, I don’t even need to do a 12 hour turnaround like some previous times.

(33m 39s) Kevin:

Stardew coming to smash

(33m 41s) Al:

Yeah, so there we go.

(33m 42s)

Wholesome Snack.

(33m 43s)

Pew pew.

(33m 47s) Kevin:

Calling it now

(33m 48s)

Right on

(33m 51s) Al:

is 5 p.m good timing for me as well then whoo

(33m 55s) Kevin:

Will Haunted Chocolatier

(33m 56s) Al:

hi right do you do you do you honestly think that concerned ape would bother doing it in

(33m 56s) Kevin:

Self-drop

(33m 58s)

Will Codey

(34m)

Be saved

(34m 7s) Al:

a wholesome snack dude would just all he would what he would do is he would just make it live

(34m 9s) Kevin:

no not at all not

(34m 11s)

that’s that’s

(34m 13s) Al:

on steam and he would post a blog post about it and that’s it he would do nothing else he

(34m 17s) Kevin:

the man is that is correct the man is a meerkat he lives and you know his underground fortress and

(34m 18s) Al:

wouldn’t even post it on social media.

(34m 21s)

Everyone would do the work for him.

(34m 29s) Kevin:

pops out to see the world once every now and then and that’s it

(34m 33s) Al:

Yeah. Yeah. Every three months he types up an apology blog post.

(34m 37s)

I’m sorry it’s taken so long. And then he gets goes back to work.

(34m 41s) Kevin:

Yeah, that’s fine.

(34m 44s)

He has no reason to do otherwise.

(34m 46s)

Good for you.

(34m 48s) Al:

I’m kind of jealous that he has something that he cares about like that.

(34m 54s) Kevin:

Yeah, right?

(34m 54s) Al:

Like I don’t have any and none of my work that I’ve ever done other than this podcast is something that I would.

(35m)

Obviously, if my podcast had made me

(35m 3s)

several million dollars,

(35m 5s) Kevin:

yeah yep it does help yeah no I get what you mean finding your your masterwork like the the actual

(35m 5s) Al:

I would work on this podcast

(35m 6s)

like he works on that game.

(35m 8s)

But, you know.

(35m 15s) Kevin:

thing like yeah it’s it’s enviable oh okay so obviously he’s not going to announce it in the

(35m 21s)

awesome uh whatever snack direct but you know it’d be really funny

(35m 23s) Al:

what are you there are you thinking releasing it and at the same time just to distract everyone from

(35m 28s) Kevin:

yeah yeah yeah he just self-drops it not even knowing

(35m 30s) Al:

it oh goodness

(35m 35s) Kevin:

and wholesome games just just deflated ignored oh

(35m 39s) Al:

interestingly that is five days before the game awards

(35m 47s) Kevin:

Oh, oh, oh, what does that mean?

(35m 50s)

It doesn’t mean anything.

(35m 50s) Al:

It doesn’t mean anything. I’m just, I’m confused as

(35m 52s) Kevin:

Yeah.

(35m 53s) Al:

to why it’s so early because it’s normally like a day or two

(35m 55s) Kevin:

I don’t know.

(35m 57s)

Jeff, yeah, I don’t know.

(35m 58s)

Jeff Keighley will not acknowledge anything in the wholesome game, sadly.

(36m 3s)

He didn’t acknowledge Sonic 3, the movie.

(36m 5s)

Ha, ha, ha.

(36m 6s) Al:

I mean, it is part of the Game Awards.

(36m 11s)

They do like this wider, in coordination with, that’s what they say, in coordination with.

(36m 13s) Kevin:

Yeah, oh, it’s part of the whole thing.

(36m 17s)

Mmm, didn’t know that.

(36m 18s)

Well, where’s the Cottage, the Wholesome Awards?

(36m 24s)

That’s us.

(36m 24s)

I know that’s us, but we’re the authority.

(36m 25s) Al:

that’s anyway moving on our final piece of news is there’s a humble bundle called

Humble Bundle

(36m 32s) Al:

hambles farming games collection and this has snacko fey farm farming simulator 19 why 19

(36m 41s)

that is so old farm manager world border town robert on earth green hearth necromancer

(36m 51s)

2 Pixelia, Seeds of Calamity, and Immortal.

(36m 55s)

Immortal life, all for the low, low price of $18.

(37m) Kevin:

That’s a lot.

(37m 1s)

I mean, it’s a lot of stuff for the 18.

(37m 3s) Al:

Yeah, I got what you were saying.

(37m 4s)

I just laughed because it makes it sound like,

(37m 5s) Kevin:

Yeah.

(37m 6s)

Yeah.

(37m 7s) Al:

because you said it immediately after $18.

(37m 7s) Kevin:

Yeah.

(37m 8s)

Yeah.

(37m 11s)

Oh, what’s a Hamble?

(37m 12s) Al:

I think it’s this pig.

(37m 13s) Kevin:

I assume that’s what I’ve assumed too.

(37m 15s) Al:

There’s a pig on the thing.

(37m 17s) Kevin:

I don’t either.

(37m 19s)

Thank you, Hamble.

(37m 20s)

Oh, Hamble.

(37m 20s)

Oh, Hamble like the Humble.

(37m 21s)

I get it.

(37m 22s)

I get it now.

(37m 23s)

Okay, good job, Humble Bundle.

(37m 24s)

I got it.

(37m 25s)

These are pretty good games.

(37m 27s)

I like how Farm Manager World is a title.

(37m 30s)

I don’t know about that one, but yeah, all right.

(37m 31s) Al:

Apparently, Hamble is the official mascot for Humble Bundle.

(37m 35s)

I didn’t realize there was an official mascot.

(37m 37s) Kevin:

What?

(37m 37s)

You need to be better about using Hamble, Humble Bundle.

(37m 41s)

That leans into our branding, you see.

(37m 43s) Al:

It’s also a village in England, Hamble Le Rice.

(37m 46s) Kevin:

Hmm.

(37m 46s) Al:

There you go.

(37m 47s)

I need to know more about this Hamble creature.

(37m 49s) Kevin:

Yeah.

(37m 50s)

And long years like a bunny.

(37m 52s) Al:

All right, that’s the news.

(37m 52s) Kevin:

I don’t know half the games in this bundle.

(37m 54s)

Yeah.

(37m 54s)

Okay.

(37m 55s) Al:

Yes.

(37m 55s) Kevin:

That’s the news.

(37m 55s) Al:

No, yeah, well, that’s an interesting question.

(37m 57s)

There are a bunch of, yeah, there’s a bunch of stuff that I’ve never heard of.

(38m 1s) Kevin:

And if we haven’t heard about it, we’ll see.

(38m 2s) Al:

What does that tell us?

(38m 3s) Kevin:

Ha, ha, ha, ha.

(38m 5s) Al:

Yeah, I don’t know.

(38m 7s)

I’m undecided as to whether there’s enough in this that I actually still want to play

(38m 11s)

that I haven’t already…

(38m 13s)

got, but

(38m 14s)

I might investigate the other games, we’ll see.

(38m 18s)

Alright, that’s the news!

(38m 21s) Kevin:

We defeated it.

Plants Vs Zombies

(38m 23s) Al:

Okay, so, Plants vs. Zombies.

(38m 27s)

So, you played this at some point…

(38m 29s) Kevin:

I did years ago. Probably years. It’s been a while.

(38m 37s) Al:

I, yes, so I played this because I saw that in the UK it was on a free trial, the, whatever

(38m 47s)

they call it, the Nintendo Switch Online game trial, I think is what it’s called, and so

(38m 54s)

I was like, oh, okay, let’s try it out, I’ve never played it, and I played it, and I mean,

(39m 7s)

it works for anyone who doesn’t know how plants versus zombies work, it’s basically a tower

(39m 12s)

defense game where all your towers are plants of some kind, and all you’re defending against

(39m 23s)

zombies, and they come in lines, right, so it’s like you’ve got these, what am I thinking

(39m 28s)

of, not grid, it’s like a grid, a one-dimensional grid, it’s just like they’re all rows, that’s

(39m 35s)

what I’m looking for.

(39m 37s) Kevin:

Yeah, lanes.

(39m 37s) Al:

Lanes words are great I’m great at them um so the I

(39m 39s) Kevin:

Yeah.

(39m 44s)

You don’t have a platform dependent on worse.

(39m 49s) Al:

no imagine that so you uh what happens is you have different types of plants and you start out with

(39m 58s)

your your little do these plants have names because I can’t remember they probably do let me get up the wiki

(40m 3s) Kevin:

Yeah, I can’t remember it’s tower, but yeah, if you haven’t played, it’s tower defense. That’s what I can hear. And for plant and plants to defend against the Zombos. Let’s see, what are the names?

(40m 18s) Al:

gallery of plants here we go here we go we have the pea shooter is your default one

(40m 26s)

and it just shoots a pea it does a certain amount of damage um and then your other kind of

(40m 33s)

one that you start out with is the sunflower so the way it works is you get sun from the sun

(40m 40s)

and um you get on a on a regular cadence um you get like 25 sun every couple seconds i

(40m 48s)

can’t remember how long it is probably depends on a number of factors and then you what use the sun

(40m 57s)

it’s your currency for buying flowers um so you have the pea shooter which I think costs 100 sun

(41m 4s)

but you also have things like you’ve got the sunflower which you get early on which costs 50

(41m 9s)

sun but it increases the amount of sun you get so um obviously you know there’s a whole bunch of

(41m 16s)

strategy to this and with the

(41m 18s)

sunflower you are buying them

(41m 20s)

early game so that you get more sun

(41m 22s)

quickly so you can you can buy more stuff

(41m 24s)

but of course that’s balanced out by the fact

(41m 26s)

that you need to actually start buying

(41m 28s)

some flowers that will you know do

(41m 30s)

damage otherwise you’re just gonna gonna die

(41m 32s)

um I

(41m 34s)

I mean obviously we’re not just gonna go through

(41m 36s)

all of these flowers

(41m 37s)

um but

(41m 38s) Kevin:

Yeah, yeah.

(41m 40s)

That’s for a different episode.

(41m 40s) Al:

I think that’s

(41m 42s)

where we’re gonna rank them all

(41m 44s) Kevin:

Yeah, our tear list episode.

(41m 44s) Al:

I’d need to actually finish all the levels in that case

(41m 46s)

because I only got to…

(41m 48s)

It looks like the three out of the five sections of levels.

(41m 53s)

So you’ve got your standard daytime ones.

(41m 56s)

And then you’ve got the nighttime levels,

(41m 58s)

which adds a bunch of mushrooms.

(42m 3s)

And then you’ve got your pool ones.

(42m 6s)

So you’re in the back garden.

(42m 9s)

And so, of course, I say, of course, like this makes any sense.

(42m 13s)

Like everybody has a pool in their back garden.

(42m 16s)

two of the lanes are taken up by

(42m 18s)

water which means that you can’t add any flowers to that without changes there’s a lily pad that

(42m 26s)

allows you to put the plants on the water but you can’t just by default um and it also adds other

(42m 32s)

things like zombies that swim underwater and stuff like that so there’s there’s a whole bunch

(42m 37s)

of stuff so I got through the day and the night and nearly finished the pool levels um I did not do

(42m 42s)

the fog or the roof ones um so

(42m 44s) Kevin:

I don’t remember those levels. I may not have gotten that far either.

(42m 48s) Al:

what is there to talk about this game

(42m 49s)

yeah

(42m 50s) Kevin:

Yeah, I mean, okay, so

(42m 52s)

again, it’s tower defense, right? We all understand. You stop

(42m 56s)

the ongoing, never-ending waves of enemies

(43m)

or whatever. It’s fun because it’s strategy, right?

(43m 4s)

As with many tower defense games, you take your different units

(43m 8s)

with the different capabilities. There are different zombies incoming as well.

(43m 13s)

and you’re

(43m 14s)

uh yeah we’re you’re picking just solving that little puzzle right what plants work and what

(43m 20s)

situation the best and of course you can pivot a little bit you know get rid of your plants and

(43m 25s)

plant new ones and whatnot um so here’s the question why do you think this game did so

(43m 32s) Al:

oh I think it’s probably a balance of two things one is obviously it’s simplicity

(43m 37s)

so it is not a very difficult game to pick up right it starts out like some some tower defense

(43m 44s)

games can be really complicated um because you’ve got like here’s a whole bunch of stuff whereas

(43m 48s)

this starts out with like here are your I think maybe there’s four different types you can get

(43m 52s)

right and it’s like here are your things this gets you your currency this shoots there you go

(43m 58s)

have at it right

(44m)

whereas so many

(44m 2s)

games can be

(44m 2s)

really really

(44m 3s)

complicated so I

(44m 3s)

think that’s part of

(44m 4s)

it but I also think

(44m 5s) Kevin:

Yeah.

(44m 6s) Al:

it’s probably just a

(44m 7s)

time and place so

(44m 8s) Kevin:

Hmm.

(44m 9s) Al:

like when you think

(44m 11s)

back to these

(44m 11s)

Facebook flash games

(44m 12s)

what ones do you

(44m 14s)

remember it’s

(44m 16s)

plants versus

(44m 16s)

zombies and it’s

(44m 17s) Kevin:

Farm Bill.

(44m 19s) Al:

Farmville and maybe

(44m 20s) Kevin:

Yeah.

(44m 20s) Al:

oh what’s the other

(44m 21s)

the jewel Bejeweled

(44m 23s)

was that the one

(44m 23s)

that was big because

(44m 23s) Kevin:

Majeweled.

(44m 24s)

Yeah, that’s another good one.

(44m 26s)

Candy Crush was that era.

(44m 26s) Al:

I don’t think I

(44m 27s)

don’t think I don’t

(44m 28s)

think was Candy Crush

(44m 28s)

actually on that I

(44m 30s)

feel like Bejeweled was

(44m 30s)

the one that was on

(44m 32s)

and Candy Crush was

(44m 32s) Kevin:

Yeah, no, you’re probably right.

(44m 33s) Al:

a later thing let’s

(44m 33s) Kevin:

I think Candy Crush came like at the tail end of it or something.

(44m 35s) Al:

have a look let’s

(44m 36s)

have a look Candy

(44m 37s)

Crush launched in

(44m 39s)

2012 but it was on

(44m 41s)

Facebook so that

(44m 42s)

feels like later on

(44m 43s)

in the era but

(44m 44s)

still still still a

(44m 45s) Kevin:

you’re right

(44m 46s) Al:

Facebook thing it

(44m 49s)

also launched on

(44m 50s)

iOS and Android the

(44m 55s) Kevin:

time and place is a big part of it

(44m 57s)

being that era

(44m 58s) Al:

because that’s because that’s it this is this is one of the like three or four big ones that you

(44m 58s) Kevin:

I do but they were

(45m 2s) Al:

that people could name if you tried to name any facebook games right like I think that’s it I have

(45m 9s)

no other games in my mind that were facebook games tell me

(45m 13s) Kevin:

small games for me

(45m 15s)

it was a marvel game

(45m 15s) Al:

ah

(45m 16s) Kevin:

marvel avengers alliance

(45m 18s)

was actually really good

(45m 21s)

yeah

(45m 24s)

greenhouse on that or whatever

(45m 26s)

but yeah

(45m 28s)

that was by a whole bunch

(45m 30s) Al:

Oh, Angry Birds was apparently a Facebook one as well.

(45m 30s) Kevin:

it was right around when the MC was going

(45m 32s)

what was

(45m 33s) Al:

I only remember that on mobile.

(45m 34s) Kevin:

really

(45m 34s) Al:

Angry Birds was.

(45m 36s) Kevin:

I mean it

(45m 36s) Al:

Apparently so.

(45m 37s) Kevin:

I didn’t realize that that’s interesting

(45m 40s)

crazy I didn’t know that

(45m 41s)

I think it definitely got more attention on mobile

(45m 42s) Al:

Ah, it wasn’t, yeah, it wasn’t first on Facebook.

(45m 45s) Kevin:

okay yeah

(45m 46s) Al:

It was first on iOS, but they also released on Facebook.

(45m 48s) Kevin:

okay that’s what I

(45m 49s) Al:

So there you go.

(45m 50s) Kevin:

that makes sense

(45m 50s) Al:

I was going to say, like, that feels ridiculous.

(45m 50s) Kevin:

yeah

(45m 52s) Al:

Ha ha ha ha.

(45m 53s) Kevin:

okay but

(45m 55s)

back to plants

(45m 56s)

or zombies I think

(45m 57s)

yeah the time

(45m 59s)

but

(45m 59s)

what helped

(46m)

I think the art style

(46m 2s)

helped stand out

(46m 3s)

because

(46m 3s)

out of all the games

(46m 4s)

we just listed

(46m 5s)

I think plants versus zombies

(46m 8s)

has the most charm

(46m 9s)

or looks the best

(46m 10s)

it’s kind of

(46m 13s)

a fun selection

(46m 15s)

concept where you know plants

(46m 17s)

are defending against the zombies you know

(46m 19s)

different from the typical

(46m 21s)

zombie apocalypse

(46m 22s)

narrative and they’re just very

(46m 25s)

cute and silly looking right

(46m 26s)

the cute little eyes on the

(46m 28s)

pea shooter

(46m 29s)

the dopey look on the walnut

(46m 30s) Al:

Yeah. I mean, and also the story is silly as well. Like I say story, it’s very, very small, right? But you’re, you’ve got your, the guy that pops up every so often. Was his crazy Joe? Is that his name? I think that was it. That probably helps a bit as well, because it’s just the silliness of that.

(46m 44s) Kevin:

Yeah, I think so.

(46m 51s)

Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

(46m 53s)

So, yeah, even now, looking at these pictures,

(46m 57s)

I still think the charm and the art style work well.

(46m 58s) Al:

Crazy Dave, sorry. Crazy Dave.

(47m) Kevin:

So I think that’s what helped with the longevity.

(47m 4s)

I’ve always been curious about some of the other

(47m 5s)

Plants vs. Zombies games, like the shooters or whatnot,

(47m 9s)

but Garden Warfare, right?

(47m 9s) Al:

I’m sorry, what now?

(47m 14s) Kevin:

Are you not familiar with Plants vs. Zombies?

(47m 14s) Al:

I am not familiar with that.

(47m 17s)

Tell me more.

(47m 18s) Kevin:

Okay, again, I haven’t played it,

(47m 20s)

but as far as I’m aware, it’s a third-person shooter.

(47m 24s) Al:

Goodness me, so it is.

(47m 26s) Kevin:

Yeah, I think there was a second Garden Warfare, actually.

(47m 30s) Al:

There is, yeah, the Garden Warfare 2.

(47m 32s) Kevin:

Yeah, so this series went places because it did so well,

(47m 33s) Al:

Wild.

(47m 36s) Kevin:

and, you know, it maintains a lot of the…

(47m 37s) Al:

Well, the first one did.

(47m 38s)

Did any of the others make any money?

(47m 40s)

That’s the question.

(47m 42s) Kevin:

Good question.

(47m 42s) Al:

Let’s have a look.

(47m 44s) Kevin:

I think Garden Warfare…

(47m 46s) Al:

Garden Warfare.

(47m 48s)

Garden Warfare was the fourth best-selling retail game in the UK

(47m 51s)

in the week of its release.

(47m 54s) Kevin:

Decent enough.

(47m 55s) Al:

Mad.

(47m 56s) Kevin:

Yeah.

(47m 57s) Al:

It was the eighth best-selling retail game in August 2014.

(48m 4s)

That’s not to be sniffed up.

(48m 6s) Kevin:

nope yeah no I mean I think obviously it has the whole brand thing at that point but I think

(48m 13s)

there’s still like even looking at garden warfare the art there’s still that charm and goofy silly

(48m 18s)

cartooniness um we’re running strong so I think that is a big part of the formula um the mechanics

(48m 26s)

are well executed like even just talking about um plants versus zombies base like you said it’s

(48m 33s)

simple, it’s

(48m 34s)

straightforward, and it

(48m 36s)

works well, like, I

(48m 37s)

never, I don’t

(48m 38s)

remember ever

(48m 38s)

getting frustrated

(48m 39s)

by the game, and

(48m 40s)

like, in a way

(48m 42s)

that, you know,

(48m 42s)

unless the level

(48m 43s)

is challenging,

(48m 44s)

per se, but,

(48m 45s)

like, I never

(48m 47s)

thought, and

(48m 47s)

something was

(48m 48s)

broken, or I

(48m 48s)

felt cheated, or

(48m 49s)

slighted, which,

(48m 52s)

you know, could

(48m 52s)

have been possible

(48m 53s)

because microtransactions,

(48m 57s) Al:

yeah I definitely found that when I was playing it when I mean I will say I didn’t fail any levels

(49m 3s)

um but I i definitely would feel like if I had failed something it would have been because i

(49m 8s)

just mucked something up rather than because the game did which is what you want from games right

(49m 10s) Kevin:

Yep, exactly.

(49m 13s) Al:

but yeah like getting through more than half of the game and not failing anything am I just great

(49m 20s)

at these games um or I mean well part of the problem is we’re talking about something

(49m 27s)

that came out in what was that 2009 yeah 2009 was when it came out so it’s probably not fair to

(49m 35s)

really compare the difficulty of it um this you know nearly nearly 20 years later um I think it’s

(49m 43s)

I mean obviously this is one of those this is one of those cases where we’re talking about a game

(49m 47s)

because it’s plants rather than because it’s a cottage gore game because it’s not a farming game

(49m 52s) Kevin:

Yeah. No.

(49m 53s) Al:

is not a cottage code game

(49m 53s)

you plant the plants and that’s it but

(49m 57s)

I i I had fun playing it I i think did I have enough fun that I would pay to play it

(50m 3s)

probably not when you know it got to when it got to the end of the trial I was like okay i’m done

(50m 9s)

sort of thing I had fun playing it it definitely still feels like a you know mobile game but is it

(50m 15s) Kevin:

Mm-hmm.

(50m 16s) Al:

something I would actually pay for probably not um and I suspect that’s probably part of the

(50m 23s)

problem

(50m 25s)

if they’re having

(50m 27s)

I don’t know

(50m 27s)

whether they’re

(50m 28s)

actually managing

(50m 29s)

to sell games

(50m 31s)

or not

(50m 32s)

it looks like

(50m 32s)

they’re

(50m 33s)

they’re owned

(50m 34s)

by EA now

(50m 35s)

which probably

(50m 36s) Kevin:

Yeah, that sounds right.

(50m 37s) Al:

means that they’ll

(50m 38s)

get shut down

(50m 39s)

at some point

(50m 39s)

because everyone

(50m 40s)

does

(50m 40s)

but yeah

(50m 45s)

I

(50m 46s)

think that

(50m 48s)

people don’t

(50m 49s)

like to play

(50m 50s)

pay for games

(50m 50s)

like this

(50m 51s)

and

(50m 52s)

the

(50m 53s)

there’s

(50m 54s)

they have the

(50m 55s)

advantage of

(50m 57s)

just in general

(50m 58s)

right like that’s when

(50m 59s)

a very strong

(51m)

thing and

(51m 1s)

considering it’s

(51m 2s)

nearly 20 years

(51m 2s)

old there will

(51m 3s)

be adults who

(51m 4s)

grew up like

(51m 5s)

this being their

(51m 6s)

first game

(51m 6s)

and that’s a

(51m 7s) Kevin:

Yeah, now you’re right.

(51m 8s) Al:

big thing

(51m 8s)

but also

(51m 10s)

that same

(51m 11s)

nostalgia will

(51m 12s)

lead to people

(51m 13s)

not wanting to

(51m 13s)

pay for it

(51m 14s)

because they

(51m 14s)

didn’t pay for

(51m 15s)

it at the

(51m 15s)

start right

(51m 16s)

like you

(51m 16s)

didn’t pay

(51m 17s)

for it on

(51m 17s)

on Facebook

(51m 19s)

it probably

(51m 22s)

I suspect it

(51m 22s)

cost money

(51m 23s)

on mobile

(51m 24s)

when it came

(51m 25s)

out there

(51m 25s)

because at

(51m 27s)

most mobile

(51m 27s)

games did

(51m 28s)

cost money

(51m 29s)

because they

(51m 29s)

weren’t really

(51m 30s) Kevin:

I think I did pay.

(51m 30s) Al:

doing in-app

(51m 31s)

purchases and

(51m 31s)

they weren’t

(51m 32s)

really doing

(51m 32s)

ads at that

(51m 33s)

point on

(51m 34s) Kevin:

Yeah, I think I did pay for it on mobile.

(51m 34s) Al:

mobile

(51m 34s)

yeah yeah

(51m 40s)

they don’t

(51m 40s)

tend to be

(51m 41s)

expensive

(51m 41s)

whereas how

(51m 42s)

much is

(51m 43s)

the

(51m 43s)

it costs

(51m 45s)

$20

(51m 46s)

for the

(51m 48s)

remake

(51m 48s)

so not

(51m 51s) Kevin:

that’s too dang expensive that’s wild I don’t know if they charge that much for

(51m 55s)

this versus a collection sure maybe because you know there’s a whole bunch of them that’s insane

(52m) Al:

yeah no this was whereas this was just the original

(52m 2s)

and it is higher resolution graphics but it’s not really changed graphics it’s the same

(52m 10s) Kevin:

Yeah, it’s the same art style, roughly the same fidelity, because, I mean, it’s very stylized, so you don’t need to go, you know.

(52m 17s) Al:

exactly just up enough that we don’t see the pixels thanks that’s all we needed

(52m 23s)

yeah yeah

(52m 23s) Kevin:

Yeah, smoothed it out a little, I guess, yeah.

(52m 27s) Al:

maybe you’re not um yeah no I think it’s we’re in an interesting time because there’s a lots of

(52m 28s) Kevin:

We’re not doing Sony zoom in to see the pores on the face or whatever.

(52m 35s)

Ha ha ha ha ha!

(52m 42s) Al:

these sorts of things and I think a lot of these older games are trying to redo things like we

(52m 47s)

last year um because they’d released a new one um you can’t actually play the original farmville i

(52m 53s)

wonder if they’ll remake the original farmville

(52m 55s)

uh it looks like someone has been trying to recreate it uh oh no it looks like they got

(52m 55s) Kevin:

I feel like someone will try at some point, it’s too big.

(53m 5s) Al:

the original flash game and they’re building a wrapper around it to be able to play it

(53m 9s)

uh but they haven’t done anything in two years so it probably doesn’t work very well

(53m 14s)

laughs

(53m 15s) Kevin:

No, no, which is exactly what I’d expect.

(53m 17s) Al:

but yeah I find it interesting that they never they haven’t remade the original farmville and

(53m 25s)

they’re just making newer ones um because I think people don’t want new versions of the old games

(53m 32s)

they want the old games like if if we talk I mean some people do right I can’t talk for everyone

(53m 38s)

but when I so I was a big sims player um specifically in sims 2 like I played sims 1

(53m 44s)

but that wasn’t

(53m 45s)

my big one

(53m 45s)

when Sims 2

(53m 47s)

Sims 3 came out

(53m 48s)

and I bought it

(53m 49s)

but I never really

(53m 50s)

played it

(53m 50s)

because I could just

(53m 51s)

never get into

(53m 51s)

the new version

(53m 52s)

of the game

(53m 53s)

it just

(53m 54s)

it didn’t feel

(53m 55s)

the same

(53m 55s)

and I feel the same

(53m 57s)

about SimCities

(53m 58s)

like past

(54m)

SimCity 2000

(54m 1s)

I just

(54m 2s)

there’s something

(54m 3s)

about them

(54m 3s)

that I don’t want

(54m 4s)

to play them

(54m 5s)

I didn’t want

(54m 5s)

new versions

(54m 6s)

of the games

(54m 7s)

I wanted

(54m 7s)

the game

(54m 8s)

that I played

(54m 9s)

that I grew up

(54m 10s)

playing

(54m 11s)

it might be

(54m 12s)

it’s the same

(54m 13s)

sort of thing

(54m 13s)

as like

(54m 13s)

you get

(54m 15s)

so I think

(54m 16s)

I don’t know

(54m 17s)

I keep hearing

(54m 17s)

people saying this

(54m 18s)

I don’t know

(54m 18s)

whether it’s based

(54m 19s)

on something real

(54m 20s)

or just

(54m 20s)

it’s one of these

(54m 22s)

things that people

(54m 23s)

say it because

(54m 23s)

they say it

(54m 24s)

but I’ve heard

(54m 25s)

many people say

(54m 26s)

that your favourite

(54m 27s)

genres of everything

(54m 29s)

is based on

(54m 30s)

what you liked

(54m 30s)

when you were 12

(54m 31s)

because that was

(54m 32s)

when you first

(54m 33s) Kevin:

yeah

(54m 34s) Al:

started to like

(54m 34s)

get your own

(54m 35s)

opinions on things

(54m 36s)

and diverge

(54m 37s)

from your parents

(54m 37s) Kevin:

yeah

(54m 38s) Al:

and I think

(54m 39s)

it roughly works

(54m 40s)

for me

(54m 40s)

and would certainly

(54m 43s)

fit for these

(54m 44s)

things as well

(54m 45s)

like that’s when

(54m 47s)

I was playing

(54m 47s)

Sims 2

(54m 48s)

it’s when I

(54m 48s)

was playing

(54m 49s)

SimCity 2000

(54m 50s)

you know

(54m 52s)

it’s when I

(54m 52s)

I mean I don’t

(54m 53s)

think I was

(54m 53s)

playing Pokemon

(54m 54s)

at that point

(54m 54s)

because I’d

(54m 55s)

stopped playing

(54m 55s)

it but

(54m 56s)

I went back

(54m 58s)

but yeah

(54m 59s)

I’m not sure

(55m 1s)

what my point

(55m 1s)

was there

(55m 2s)

I

(55m 3s) Kevin:

It’s just that people’s preferences locked in at some point, and then it’s hard to, you know, things change.

(55m 10s)

Sometimes it feels not great or uncomfortable, and people just want the original comfort food.

(55m 14s) Al:

yeah yeah and I think that’s the thing about plants versus zombies replanted is it does

(55m 16s) Kevin:

Yeah, no, that happens.

(55m 21s) Al:

exactly that and whether that’s a good thing or not is a different question um most of the

(55m 22s) Kevin:

Mm-hmm.

(55m 28s) Al:

negative comments on steam about plants versus zombies are the cost it’s it’s twenty dollars

(55m 35s) Kevin:

that’s insane

(55m 36s) Al:

twenty dollars and it doesn’t play any differently it’s like I don’t know what you were expecting

(55m 39s)

It’s a remake.

(55m 40s) Kevin:

that’s insane

(55m 41s) Al:

Like, what are you expecting here?

(55m 42s) Kevin:

yeah that’s insane

(55m 44s) Al:

It’s too expensive, but you knew that going in.

(55m 49s) Kevin:

they charge that much

(55m 50s)

oh yeah absolutely

(55m 51s) Al:

Even the positive comment, even the positive reviews are saying it’s too expensive.

(55m 56s) Kevin:

yeah I’m not getting this

(55m 57s) Al:

So, yeah, I think if you want to remake your old game, your classic game, do it.

(56m 2s)

But, like, only if you can charge $5 to $10, right?

(56m 7s)

Like, $20 is dead.

(56m 7s) Kevin:

yeah it’s it’s insane to think about charging more for the same game than what they did when

(56m 15s)

it came out right and you know we’re nintendo fans so yeah we’re no strangers to that but

(56m 21s)

nintendo does make an effort to in most times to make you know remakes

(56m 26s)

or or ports or whatever with some polish or changes or stuff um but without doing

(56m 33s) Al:

Yeah, and I guess if we look at the Pokemon remakes, people complain about both versions of them, right?

(56m 41s)

Like the ones that are just trying to do the same thing, but with new graphics, people complain about them.

(56m 43s) Kevin:

it’s it’s also a thing of it’s it’s also a thing of scale plants versus zombies because

(56m 47s) Al:

The ones that try to change things, people complain about them.

(56m 50s)

So maybe it’s not possible to not have people complain about these things.

(57m) Kevin:

we know plants versus zombies and the type of game and we expect again like maybe five bucks

(57m 6s)

at most on mobiles just to have it right no ads or whatever right but to go to 20 well that’s a

(57m 8s) Al:

Yeah, that’s true.

(57m 13s) Kevin:

game I can buy Ova Magica for 20 bucks right now less than 20 I think it was on sale right now

(57m 16s) Al:

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.

(57m 20s) Kevin:

and so that’s dude I can go buy final fantasy 7 remake and rebirth or whatever the second one

(57m 27s)

for 15 on switch 2 right now together yeah whatever that thing’s called uh which i’m gonna get by the

(57m 28s) Al:

remake two

(57m 30s)

don’t get don’t do do not get me started on those names again thank you um

(57m 34s) Kevin:

wow what’s more aggravating that one or spider-man 2

(57m 42s)

that

(57m 43s)

oh okay you made your peace

(57m 44s) Al:

I i’ve kind of just gotten used to spider-man 2 like I i yeah I i get what they were doing and i

(57m 50s)

disagree with it but whatever I think they should have just not called it spider-man 2 I think they

(57m 54s)

should have called it something else like if you don’t want it if you don’t want to call the third

(57m 57s)

game in your series spider-man 3 call it something else like I think that’s my biggest point but at

(58m 3s)

this point at this point I just i’ve known it for a spider-man 2 for so long I just don’t care

(58m 7s)

so well and that’s the thing and their second one was it

(58m 8s) Kevin:

yeah

(58m 8s)

subtitles are great

(58m 10s)

you don’t have to number

(58m 12s)

yeah

(58m 14s) Al:

was spider-man miles morales you could have called it anything like spider-man venom because it

(58m 17s) Kevin:

yeah there you go

(58m 18s) Al:

introduces venom or you do like or or spider-man symbiote war because there’s a whole bunch of

(58m 24s)

symbiotes and or like there’s so many options you could have done you went with spider-man 2

(58m 27s) Kevin:

Turn off the dark.

(58m 28s) Al:

oh you got me started kevin why did you do that

(58m 33s)

I i think this is the thing though like no matter what you do there will be people complaining about

(58m 34s) Kevin:

Because that’s what the people want, Al.

(58m 41s) Al:

it um yeah

(58m 44s) Kevin:

enough um but I mean sometimes it’s more valid than others um and 20 bucks for planets versus

(58m 49s)

zombies is very valid to complain about um

(58m 52s) Al:

No, absolutely. Absolutely. But maybe don’t complain about it if you’ve bought it and you got what you were paying for. Right. Like I’m like absolutely complain about it because you’re like, oh, I really want to buy this, but it’s too expensive. It’s ridiculously expensive. Sure. Absolutely. But buying it and then going, this is way too expensive. I can’t believe they’re selling this for $20. And like, dude, you knew that going in.

(59m 16s) Kevin:

And, you know, fortunately, you voted for your with your wallet.

(59m 18s) Al:

it literally says it literally says it’s called it’s called replanted right

(59m 22s)

right so it’s obviously they’re just replanting it the metaphor is there and the description is

(59m 27s)

the classic plants versus zombies returns in glorious hd how clearer can they be that this

(59m 33s)

is just the same game there are so many legit things to complain about but complaining that

(59m 41s)

this game is just a remake and costs too much when you’ve already bought it is silly

(59m 46s)

also just wait till it’s on sale because it’s it’s already done a sale down to

(59m 47s) Kevin:

Very much so.

(59m 48s)

You voted with your wallet.

(59m 52s) Al:

10 quid so like just wait for that again

(59m 56s)

yeah but I mean at some point it’ll go down to two quid or something for in the sales

(1h 3s) Kevin:

yeah exactly then you go for it right if they had I don’t know doubled the number of levels

(1h 3s) Al:

yeah

(1h 7s) Kevin:

tripled or I don’t know added another new plant types maybe we’d be talking

(1h 13s) Al:

yeah I think they did add some new levels in it but I don’t know how much where and there was a

(1h 17s)

there’s a hardcore mode surviving our brand new hardcore mode rest in peace where one mistake

(1h 23s)

could send you right back to the beginning so there is some extra stuff it isn’t completely

(1h 27s)

the same but yeah I mean

(1h 33s) Kevin:

Go check out Garden Guardian.

(1h 35s)

Leon’s game.

(1h 36s)

It’s way cheaper.

(1h 38s)

Well, Plants vs. Zombies is fun.

(1h 39s) Al:

it looks like you can just buy the the the 2009 game of the year edition on steam as well so maybe

(1h 39s) Kevin:

Just don’t buy the $20 version.

(1h 47s) Al:

just go do that if you don’t care about the graphics they even have a comparison here of

(1h 49s) Kevin:

Yeah, exactly.

(1h 50s)

Less bugs.

(1h 51s)

It’s weird.

(1h 57s) Al:

the replanted versus the the game of the year edition steam deck verified head crab zombie

(1h 1m 6s)

localized in Chinese, local co-op and PVP.

(1h 1m 9s)

Controller support and new modes, cloudy day and rest in peace mode.

(1h 1m 13s)

It’s literally all listed there, exactly the differences.

(1h 1m 16s) Kevin:

Huh, that’s interesting.

(1h 1m 17s) Al:

Also, there are more Steam achievements.

(1h 1m 19s)

16 extra Steam achievements.

(1h 1m 22s) Kevin:

Oh, hold on.

(1h 1m 23s)

We’ll retract everything.

(1h 1m 25s)

We’ve got Chivos we can get.

(1h 1m 27s)

Worth every penny.

(1h 1m 29s) Al:

Kevin, the game of the year edition is five quid.

(1h 1m 31s) Kevin:

Oh, my goodness.

(1h 1m 34s)

It’s co-op even working plants versus zombies.

(1h 1m 36s)

You’re literally just placing plants.

(1h 1m 38s)

It’s like a menu.

(1h 1m 40s)

Take turns planting the plant.

(1h 1m 42s)

I don’t know.

(1h 1m 43s) Al:

all right that’s plants versus zombies it’s a fun game but it is what you get

(1h 1m 43s) Kevin:

It’s wild.

(1h 1m 46s)

It is.

(1h 1m 51s) Al:

that thank you kevin for joining me to talk about plants versus zombies

(1h 1m 52s) Kevin:

Yeah, it’s not 20.

(1h 1m 53s)

It’s fun.

Outro

(1h 1m 57s) Al:

is there anything you would like to tell the audience

(1h 1m 57s) Kevin:

Thank you, Al.

(1h 2m 2s)

I’m co-op, Chris, wherever.

(1h 2m 4s)

Maybe I will have time for art now that I have a new job.

(1h 2m 7s)

Maybe.

(1h 2m 8s) Al:

Woo! Art, art, art, art, art.

(1h 2m 10s) Kevin:

Art, art.

(1h 2m 12s) Al:

Human-made art.

(1h 2m 12s) Kevin:

But otherwise, I’m whatever.

(1h 2m 17s) Al:

If you want to follow the podcast,

(1h 2m 20s)

you can do that on Tumblr and on bluesky at THSPod,

(1h 2m 23s)

where I’m posting clips.

(1h 2m 25s)

Come and see the clips.

(1h 2m 27s)

See the clips?

(1h 2m 28s) Kevin:

• Yeah, yeah.

(1h 2m 28s) Al:

Come and watch the clips.

(1h 2m 31s)

You can also send us feedback on our website,

(1h 2m 34s)

harvestandseason.club,

(1h 2m 35s)

where you can also find links to everything to do with the podcast.

(1h 2m 38s)

Including our Patreon, patreon.com slash THSPod,

(1h 2m 40s)

where you can get access to our Slack.

(1h 2m 43s)

What’s happened on the Slack recently?

(1h 2m 45s)

Oh yes, Jonnie was telling us why he disagrees with our tier lists.

(1h 2m 49s) Kevin:

Okay, I was expecting that because it’s Jonnie and I expect a wild take or two from Jonnie.

(1h 2m 49s) Al:

And it wasn’t the distribution.

(1h 2m 57s)

How on earth can you suggest that horse is F tier, Jonnie?

(1h 2m 57s) Kevin:

And I’m sorry, Jonnie.

(1h 3m 1s) Al:

That is ridiculous.

(1h 3m 2s) Kevin:

It’s a genuine mechanical gameplay upgrade on the face level.

(1h 3m 7s)

I don’t get that one.

(1h 3m 11s)

Wild, man.

(1h 3m 13s) Al:

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(1h 3m 16s)

We just released one about our favorite and least favorite horror movies.

(1h 3m 22s) Kevin:

not games but movies um yeah we I mean doones day the the marvel clock is ticking we got to get to

(1h 3m 24s) Al:

We can talk about more stuff.

(1h 3m 32s) Kevin:

that and i’ll try to get to the asap um Chelsea and I i actually are planning one um we want to

(1h 3m 35s) Al:

Yeah, we’re just waiting on you, Kevin.

(1h 3m 40s) Kevin:

talk about uh we we give the uh last not last rights and will but you know the memorial to

(1h 3m 47s)

pokemon unite um yeah because boy they’re

(1h 3m 52s)

stuff to talk about there I miss unite go check it out it’s on the the the patreon the greenhouse all

(1h 3m 59s) Al:

And if you aren’t already a patron,

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you can join the Patreon and get access to six years,

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nearly seven years worth of bonus podcasts.

(1h 4m 10s) Kevin:

Yep. Lots of Eurovisions.

(1h 4m 12s)

Every Nintendo Direct.

(1h 4m 14s)

Go hear our thoughts.

(1h 4m 15s) Al:

I don’t know if we

(1h 4m 16s) Kevin:

And Pokemon Day.

(1h 4m 17s) Al:

I don’t know if it was everyone

(1h 4m 18s)

but yeah

(1h 4m 19s) Kevin:

No, not every.

(1h 4m 19s) Al:

we certainly

(1h 4m 19s) Kevin:

I think we missed the last one, actually.

(1h 4m 20s) Al:

no no we did

(1h 4m 22s)

we did

(1h 4m 23s)

I’m pretty sure we did it

(1h 4m 24s) Kevin:

Did we?

(1h 4m 25s) Al:

oh the September one

(1h 4m 25s) Kevin:

Because I felt like it was near one of the solo episodes

(1h 4m 28s)

I did, and I was all

(1h 4m 29s)

contemplated talking about it.

(1h 4m 31s) Al:

yeah no I think you’re right

(1h 4m 32s)

I think you’re right

(1h 4m 33s)

all right

(1h 4m 33s) Kevin:

Yeah.

(1h 4m 33s)

But either way, there’s plenty of other

(1h 4m 34s) Al:

we’ll see

(1h 4m 36s) Kevin:

good stuff. I still think about

(1h 4m 36s) Al:

and there’s more stuff coming

(1h 4m 38s) Kevin:

the first one I did, the one on musical

(1h 4m 38s) Al:

I like musicals

(1h 4m 40s) Kevin:

symbols.

(1h 4m 42s)

Yeah.

(1h 4m 42s) Al:

all right

(1h 4m 43s)

that’s everything

(1h 4m 45s)

thank you listeners for listening

(1h 4m 46s) Kevin:

Thank you all for having me on.

(1h 4m 48s) Al:

and until next time

(1h 4m 49s)

have a good harvest

(1h 4m 50s) Kevin:

Good harvest

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(1h 4m 52s) Al:

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(1h 4m 52s) Kevin:

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(1h 5m 15s)

to things we discussed in this episode

(1h 5m 26s) Kevin:

Uh, I will.

(1h 5m 27s)

Okay.

(1h 5m 28s)

All right.

(1h 5m 28s)

You know, I’m going to get real here for a second now.

(1h 5m 30s) Al:

Go for it.

(1h 5m 30s) Kevin:

I’m in the States last Tuesday was a big night in the States and you know, I’m not going

(1h 5m 37s)

to get, I’m not a political expert.

(1h 5m 39s)

I won’t get deep into the commentary, but I’ll say this.

(1h 5m 41s) Al:

that’s for a greenhouse episode

(1h 5m 42s) Kevin:

The memes that more on Wednesday morning were fire out.

(1h 5m 44s) Al:

yeah

(1h 5m 47s) Kevin:

A lot of good memes coming out.

(1h 5m 47s) Al:

absolutely look the cynic in me

(1h 5m 48s) Kevin:

laughter

(1h 5m 52s) Al:

says that

(1h 5m 53s)

the democrats are just going to

(1h 5m 56s)

coast for two years

(1h 5m 58s)

not actually do anything and then

(1h 6m)

nothing positive will

(1h 6m 2s)

happen and then they’ll lose control again

(1h 6m 4s)

in two years time but

(1h 6m 6s)

who am I to say

(1h 6m 8s)

maybe things will be different

(1h 6m 11s) Kevin:

it’s yeah though that’s the interesting right because it’s it’s definitely in the highest

(1h 6m 18s)

stakes it’s been in recent probably my lifetime i’ll say that um and for many people my age um

(1h 6m 25s)

and there’s definitely dude we flipped mississippi there’s something going on will that carry through

(1h 6m 33s)

I don’t know you’re right we have to see did that I don’t know if that’s official you’re right but

(1h 6m 34s) Al:

I was going to say, have they even called that yet?

(1h 6m 39s) Kevin:

We got Blossom

(1h 6m 41s)

Lexus

(1h 6m 42s)

You know so

(1h 6m 42s)

Anyways

(1h 6m 43s)

So go check out

(1h 6m 44s) Al:

It’s still not called, it’s still 97% reporting, but the Democrat is still ahead by like, oh, it’s a couple thousand now. So the lead is increasing. That’s good.

(1h 6m 45s) Kevin:

Oh my goodness

(1h 6m 55s)

Oh, good for you. Um, well, Hey, we’ll see. Like you said, it’s, I said it myself. It’s still a long way to go even in the best of circumstances, but it’s a good sign. Um,

(1h 7m 8s) Al:

it it is ultimately a positive thing I just worry that it will end up

(1h 7m 13s)

becoming a nothingness and things will just get worse again in two to six years

(1h 7m 16s) Kevin:

A very, very valid concern.

(1h 7m 18s) Al:

oh I just I also I also just want to say I have started seeing uh democrats saying that

(1h 7m 20s) Kevin:

I will panic when that comes.

(1h 7m 23s)

But for this week, at least, go follow me from my accounts

(1h 7m 27s)

if you want to see the banger memes that were being tweeted out

(1h 7m 31s)

about the blue wave.

(1h 7m 38s) Al:

because they weren’t pro-trans and that actually the way to win as a democrat is to not be pro-trans

(1h 7m 45s)

rather than convincing people that trans people aren’t scary they are just human beings and i’m

(1h 7m 51s)

just i’m really worried that this is going to become a thing that they start doing and they’ll

(1h 7m 54s)

be like oh we didn’t really talk about we didn’t run on the trans issue so therefore that’s why we

(1h 7m 59s)

won so we should continue doing that no no that is not what you do what you do is you convince people

(1h 8m 5s)

that trans people

(1h 8m 6s)

are just people

(1h 8m 8s)

they’re to get you

(1h 8m 10s)

this is the thing

(1h 8m 11s)

do you know

(1h 8m 11s)

Kevin do you know

(1h 8m 12s)

what the biggest

(1h 8m 13s)

thing that tells you

(1h 8m 15s)

whether or not

(1h 8m 15s)

someone is

(1h 8m 17s)

pro-trans rights

(1h 8m 18s)

or not

(1h 8m 19s)

it is

(1h 8m 19s) Kevin:

oh they say it I don’t know tell me where are you getting it okay

(1h 8m 23s) Al:

if they know

(1h 8m 24s)

a trans person

(1h 8m 25s)

if they know

(1h 8m 27s)

a trans person

(1h 8m 28s)

they are

(1h 8m 28s)

more likely

(1h 8m 30s)

way way

(1h 8m 31s)

way more likely

(1h 8m 32s)

to be pro-trans rights

(1h 8m 33s)

because they know

(1h 8m 34s) Kevin:

Oh, okay, that’s what you mean.

(1h 8m 34s) Al:

a trans person

(1h 8m 35s)

yeah that’s what I mean

(1h 8m 36s) Kevin:

Sure, sure, sure.

(1h 8m 37s) Al:

it’s the biggest

(1h 8m 38s)

whether they are pro-trans rights

(1h 8m 39s)

or not

(1h 8m 39s)

is they know

(1h 8m 40s) Kevin:

Ah, okay, yeah.

(1h 8m 40s) Al:

a trans person

(1h 8m 42s)

and if they

(1h 8m 42s)

know a trans person

(1h 8m 44s)

they know

(1h 8m 45s)

these are just people

(1h 8m 46s)

maybe we should just

(1h 8m 47s) Kevin:

Oh, what?

(1h 8m 47s) Al:

treat them

(1h 8m 48s)

like people

(1h 8m 48s)

and give them

(1h 8m 49s)

basic human dignity

(1h 8m 51s)

sorry I just had to

(1h 8m 52s) Kevin:

Oh, wouldn’t that be something, Al?

(1h 8m 55s)

Oh.

(1h 8m 56s) Al:

I had to do that

(1h 8m 57s) Kevin:

No, that’s fair.

(1h 8m 58s)

That’s very valid.

(1h 9m)

And, you know, that’s one issue of many

(1h 9m 2s)

where you could argue the same sort of argue

(1h 9m 3s) Al:

oh sure sure it just it feels like i’ve heard a lot of commentators trying to make that the point

(1h 9m 4s) Kevin:

about, argument about.

(1h 9m 10s)

Yeah.

(1h 9m 10s) Al:

that’s the difference between this and 2024 which is not that is not the difference

(1h 9m 14s) Kevin:

No, no, not at all.

(1h 9m 18s)

No, you know, okay.

(1h 9m 21s)

Last, my last piece, just,

(1h 9m 24s)

well, no, there’s a lot of important issues,

(1h 9m 27s)

but I think back when Clinton was running in the 90s,

(1h 9m 31s)

Famously they’re like one of their key

(1h 9m 34s)

Mottos that they were telling themselves

(1h 9m 36s)

Internally in their campaign offices

(1h 9m 38s)

Or whatever it was it’s the economy stupid

(1h 9m 40s)

And that’s a big

(1h 9m 42s)

Thing too but anyways but there’s a

(1h 9m 44s)

Lot of other important things and we’ll

(1h 9m 46s)

See like I said very long way to go

(1h 9m 48s)

Hopefully a good sign

(1h 9m 49s)

And like I said overall

(1h 9m 52s)

For the it’s a good thing

(1h 9m 54s)

We’ll see how much how

(1h 9m 56s)

Good we have to see but anyways

(1h 9m 58s)

That go I’m Cooper

(1h 10m)

Perez out where do people go

(1h 10m 2s)

For all this deep

(1h 10m 4s)

Enriching political commentary

(1h 10m 6s)

Where do they go for that from us

(1h 10m 7s)

Yeah

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