Acknowledge The Bee Movie
Wed, Jul 29, 2026 Year 3, Winter 4Codey and Kevin talk about Budgie's Bug Shop.
Timings
00:00:00: Theme Tune
00:00:30: Intro
00:01:38: What Have We Been Up To
00:10:54: Entymology Corner
01:26:36: Budgie’s Bug Shop
01:41:47: Outro
Links
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Transcript
Theme Tune
Intro
(30s) Codey:
Hello, farmers, and welcome to another episode of The Harvest Season Bug Edition.
(35s)
My name is Cody.
(36s) Kevin:
My name is Kevin.
(36s) Codey:
And we are here today to talk about bugs.
(41s) Kevin:
You should mix it up and sit like a different bug every time, like lightning bugs.
(45s) Codey:
Oh, oh, we didn’t.
(47s)
Gosh, what did I?
(49s)
I don’t remember what I said last time.
(49s) Kevin:
It’s fine.
(51s) Codey:
Y’all, it’s been a wild ride.
(52s) Kevin:
It’s fine.
(53s) Codey:
Um
(55s) Kevin:
Let’s not, everyone knows it’s summer.
(58s)
These are the, the, the Twilight Zone episodes in, in a place where time has no meaning, even more than normal.
(1m 2s) Codey:
Yep.
(1m 3s)
It, it’s, It’s bug month, y’all.
(1m 7s)
Um, yeah, so this is the 2nd installment of Bug Month, so the 1st episode should come out last week.
(1m 14s)
Um, and then this episode we’re talking about uh, more bugs and another bug themed game.
(1m 20s)
So today’s game is budgies bug shop, um, which Kevin I have played. And, um, we’re going to talk about that.
(1m 25s) Kevin:
Yeah.
(1m 28s) Codey:
Uh, and I’m gonna have my little entomology corner where I talk about, um, some bug stuff and kind of take you through more bug diversity.
(1m 36s)
Uh, but first, uh, Kev, have you, do you have anything to say, any fun things?
What Have We Been Up To
(1m 41s) Codey:
Have you seen any cool movies later?
(1m 43s) Kevin:
Um, yeah, I’ve seen a few.
(1m 46s)
I had some family over recently.
(1m 47s)
Watch a couple movies.
(1m 47s) Codey:
Oh?
(1m 48s) Kevin:
Um, uh, yeah, I was just busy.
(1m 50s)
no big deal.
(1m 51s)
What was it?
(1m 53s)
Oh, Roger Tale Mary.
(1m 54s)
I finally saw Project Kale Mary.
(1m 56s) Codey:
Oh, cool.
(1m 56s)
I still haven’t seen that.
(1m 56s) Kevin:
It’s very good.
(1m 57s) Codey:
Is it good?
(1m 58s) Kevin:
Um, yeah.
(2m) Codey:
Is it streaming now?
(2m) Kevin:
It is on Amazon Prime.
(2m 2s)
I’ve done nowhere else, but on Amazon Prime.
(2m 5s)
Nothing else.
(2m 5s)
Yeah.
(2m 6s)
Um, I don’t know where it else, but it’s great.
(2m 9s)
Um, it’s one of those movies where there’s, well, essentially, 2 maybe 3 characters.
(2m 9s) Codey:
Mm-hmm.
(2m 16s) Kevin:
Um, um, it’s really good.
(2m 16s) Codey:
Mm-hmm.
(2m 20s) Kevin:
Um, I won’t go into too much detail because there’s, are you familiar with the premise at all?
(2m 26s) Codey:
Not really, and it is kind of still new.
(2m 28s)
I don’t, I think we’re uh, not out of spoiler territory yet, so we should probably respect.
(2m 32s) Kevin:
Yeah, well.
(2m 33s) Codey:
Respect the spoilers, but…
(2m 33s) Kevin:
Sure.
(2m 34s)
Well, I’ll give the premise at least.
(2m 36s) Codey:
Okay.
(2m 36s) Kevin:
Um, it’s at a near-ish future or whatever.
(2m 40s)
Um, where there is this phenomenon where not just the sun, but stars across the system are going out.
(2m 50s)
They’re going dark.
(2m 51s) Codey:
Oh, dang, okay.
(2m 51s) Kevin:
Yeah.
(2m 53s)
Um, And uh, so the issue is how how do we stop that?
(2m 58s)
Uh, but they, I missed part of the beginning, but I believe they basically they detected one star that does not go out.
(3m 5s)
And so the mission is, let’s go to that star, figure out what happened there so we can save our son.
(3m 12s)
Um, Yeah, exactly.
(3m 12s) Codey:
Oh my gosh, so it’s a so it’s a Hail Mary.
(3m 16s)
Um, I get it.
(3m 20s) Kevin:
Mm-hmm.
(3m 20s) Codey:
Interesting.
(3m 21s) Kevin:
Um, yeah, um, that is the very, very initial premise, but the, what goes on beyond that, there’s a lot more going on past that.
(3m 31s) Codey:
Mm-hmm.
(3m 31s) Kevin:
Oh, yeah, I won’t go DJ.
(3m 33s)
I’ll say it stars Ryan Gosling in a fantastic performance.
(3m 36s)
Um, there is a, well, a 2nd character.
(3m 42s)
Actually, I don’t know the actor’s name, but, um, they also did a fantastic performance.
(3m 47s)
Um, It is not Matt Damon.
(3m 48s) Codey:
Is it Matt Damon?
(3m 49s)
Okay, because NASA has spent NASA has spent a lot of money with Matt Damon in space.
(3m 51s) Kevin:
Oh, I don’t think so.
(3m 52s)
I would be amazed if it were.
(3m 57s)
Yeah.
(3m 58s)
I guess.
(4m)
Yeah, yeah.
(4m 1s)
I would be I would be shocked if ever Matt Damon.
(4m 4s)
lets say that.
(4m 5s)
And you watch the, if you ever get around to watching the movie, just, just imagine, you’ll know the 2nd character and just imagine.
(4m 17s) Codey:
Okay.
(4m 18s) Kevin:
Um…
(4m 21s)
Okay, so that was a good movie.
(4m 23s)
Um, let’s see.
(4m 24s)
there’s another one.
(4m 25s)
Oh, what was it?
(4m 26s)
Um, yeah, no, I plum lost it.
(4m 29s)
Um, I thought I had it.
(4m 30s)
I won’t nope.
(4m 32s)
Oh, no, it was Superman, but I already watched that and talked about it.
(4m 34s)
Superman from last year.
(4m 36s)
That was a good movie.
(4m 36s)
I liked it.
(4m 37s)
Yeah.
(4m 39s)
Uh, no, I think that’s, that’s the only, wait, did I talk about the sheep?
(4m 45s)
No I don’t think I have.
(4m 46s)
I watched the sheep detectives.
(4m 47s)
Um, also, the sheep detectives.
(4m 48s) Codey:
The the what?
(4m 51s) Kevin:
Okay.
(4m 52s) Codey:
What is that?
(4m 54s) Kevin:
Um, it is, it’s one, it’s, what it says.
(4m 59s)
Um, there is a flock of sheep.
(5m 1s)
The shepherd is murdered, and the sheep go about solving the mystery as to who murdered their, uh, their, uh, shepherd.
(5m 7s) Codey:
Is…
(5m 10s) Kevin:
Wait, I did talk.
(5m 10s) Codey:
Is this animated?
(5m 11s) Kevin:
Uh, no.
(5m 11s) Codey:
Is this animated by like the Wallace and Gromit people?
(5m 14s)
Okay.
(5m 15s) Kevin:
I’m thinking, I’m thinking now, wait, I did talk to this about Al because we had a discussion.
(5m 19s)
But, uh, no, no, no, no.
(5m 21s)
Okay, ignoring this.
(5m 22s)
ignore.
(5m 22s)
to myself now.
(5m 23s)
Okay.
(5m 24s)
Uh, it is not animated.
(5m 25s)
Well, it is live action as in Disney live action because there are real sheep in the movie, but they have animated sheep because they’re cheap talk amongst themselves, but they do not talk to people.
(5m 33s) Codey:
Okay.
(5m 36s) Kevin:
Um, but there is a whole little village town of uh, human characters as well.
(5m 38s) Codey:
Okay.
(5m 43s) Kevin:
Um, and so it is very much a whodunit.
(5m 47s) Codey:
Mm-hmm.
(5m 47s) Kevin:
Um, It is a fantastic movie actually, strangely very emotional at times.
(5m 56s) Codey:
Okay.
(5m 56s) Kevin:
Um, like it’s, it sounds silly and almost like a, you know, sort of a kid’s movie premise.
(6m 2s)
And it kind of is because it’s, it’s, it’s very family friendly and saccharine, but it just, it’s really well done.
(6m 7s) Codey:
Mm-hmm.
(6m 9s) Kevin:
Um, I, I had emotions watching little CGI sheep talking about deep meaning questions like the nature of death in life.
(6m 18s) Codey:
Oh my gosh.
(6m 18s) Kevin:
Yeah.
(6m 19s)
Um.
(6m 21s)
Yeah, so fantastic.
(6m 22s)
Um, the humans are fun.
(6m 24s)
The, the, people have fantastic personalities.
(6m 27s)
Um, it’s actually an ensemble cast.
(6m 30s)
I don’t remember them all, but like, uh, Patrick Stewart is one of the sheep, for instance, um, yeah.
(6m 35s) Codey:
Oh my gosh, okay.
(6m 37s) Kevin:
Yeah, exactly.
(6m 39s)
Um, they went all out.
(6m 40s)
Um, the, the one human character who definitely stands out is actually the shepherd who passed away, played by one Hugh Jackman.
(6m 46s) Codey:
Yeah.
(6m 47s)
Oh my gosh.
(6m 48s) Kevin:
Um, yeah.
(6m 50s)
And, uh, obviously as the murder victim and dying pretty early on into the film.
(6m 55s)
He has a somewhat limited role, but his presence is pretty strong and he’s Hugh Jackman, so he’s, you know, incredibly charismatic and likeable and understandable why the sheep want to solve his murder.
(7m 2s) Codey:
Yeah.
(7m 8s)
Probably acted the crap out of it, so.
(7m 10s) Kevin:
Yeah, yeah, it’s great.
(7m 12s)
Um, yeah.
(7m 14s)
So, yeah, the sheep detective is is is fantastic.
(7m 18s)
Like as a mystery movie, like it’s, it’s, okay, it’s not, it’s not a knives out.
(7m 22s) Codey:
Okay.
(7m 24s) Kevin:
It’s not doing anything crazy, no?
(7m 25s)
Uh, I, like, I call about who the, the, well, it was, like, pretty early on, because, you know, it just does all the tropes, and it kind of calls out the tropes, like, literally, because the, the thing is, uh, Hugh Jackman’s character, literally, like, reads to the sheep, like, every night mystery novels, which is why.
(7m 31s) Codey:
Mm-hmm.
(7m 36s)
Hmm.
(7m 43s)
Oh my gosh.
(7m 44s) Kevin:
Yeah. Which is, yeah.
(7m 45s) Codey:
So they’re like, they’re like, this is a great, a great thing to like.
(7m 48s) Kevin:
Yeah, yeah, we know what to do.
(7m 51s) Codey:
The great mystery.
(7m 51s) Kevin:
We, yeah, we know the rules.
(7m 52s) Codey:
Yeah.
(7m 53s) Kevin:
Let’s solve this.
(7m 54s)
Um, Exactly.
(7m 55s) Codey:
All of our training has prepared us for this moment.
(7m 58s) Kevin:
Exactly.
(8m)
Um, so yeah, uh, so, so that they go by and and so yeah, the mystery’s fine, but just the, the, again, like the sheep, you know, they’re not, you know, it’s not Disney Bambi type characters.
(8m 13s)
They’re they’re cheapest and and maintain all those qualities.
(8m 17s)
So, um, it’s very entertaining, um, very charming, very lovely sort of movie.
(8m 23s)
Um, easy, easy thumbs up.
(8m 25s)
I haven’t watched too many 2026 movies, to be frank, but those 2 are up there.
(8m 30s)
Both Project Hail Mary and Sheep Detectives somehow in the same case.
(8m 33s) Codey:
Okay.
(8m 33s)
Well, I’ll have to give the sheep detective.
(8m 36s)
Well, I mean, I was already going to give Project Helmarion a pass.
(8m 40s)
Like I was going to watch it, but I’ll have to watch the other one too.
(8m 43s) Kevin:
Mm-hmm.
(8m 43s)
Yeah, good stuff.
(8m 45s)
Oh, what about you?
(8m 46s)
Anything you want to talk about or should we just dive into Bug World?
(8m 49s) Codey:
Um, gosh, have I watched anything?
(8m 52s)
I don’t really feel like I’ve been watching movies much.
(8m 55s)
We’ve been in like packing mode and stuff.
(8m 57s)
So, um, I did re- redownload and ended up buying because it was going off of Game Pass, uh, power wash simulator, so I’ve been doing that.
(8m 58s) Kevin:
Sure, that’s that’s life.
(9m 7s) Codey:
Um, because I need that.
(9m 7s) Kevin:
Hmm.
(9m 8s)
I need to get into that.
(9m 10s)
I’ve never played it, but I’ve always wanted to.
(9m 12s) Codey:
It’s, I think it’s well worth it.
(9m 12s) Kevin:
Um.
(9m 14s) Codey:
So it’s 25 bucks on Xbox Game Pass.
(9m 17s)
Um, I think it’s well worth that money.
(9m 19s)
Like, I’ve put in a good amount of time into that.
(9m 23s)
And you don’t even have, you don’t have to do the 2nd one, like, right off the bat, like, the 1st one also holds up.
(9m 26s) Kevin:
Yeah.
(9m 28s) Codey:
So, um,
(9m 29s) Kevin:
Does the 1st one have the all the DLC, like the crazy DLC or is that in the 2nd one?
(9m 34s) Codey:
So the 1st one has like a bunch of DLC that have been, um, like they’ve added a bunch of extra content that, that each extra DLC thing like gives like 6 more things to clean.
(9m 46s)
Um, and I have, like, um, for free, I think it has like 8 different ones.
(9m 54s)
Um, there are paid DLC as well that I think are like $8 each and they have things like SpongeBob and Alice in Wonderland and like stuff like that.
(10m 4s)
So, and I think they actually just came out with a, um, oh, what’s that Star Wars?
(10m 9s) Kevin:
Star Wars, yeah.
(10m 10s) Codey:
It’s like, what’s that star thing everyone likes?
(10m 13s) Kevin:
Yeah, what’s that?
(10m 14s)
What’s that one thing about the star in the wars?
(10m 18s) Codey:
Um, yeah, so that, that, one of those just came out.
(10m 19s) Kevin:
Oh.
(10m 22s) Codey:
Um, so there’s definitely a lot to do there.
(10m 23s) Kevin:
Yeah.
(10m 26s) Codey:
So if you just need a game that kind of lets you just mindlessly do thing, I highly recommend it.
(10m 30s) Kevin:
Yeah.
(10m 32s) Codey:
So.
(10m 33s) Kevin:
I’ve got to get on, uh, I want that Final Fantasy 7.
(10m 37s)
You’ll see.
(10m 38s) Codey:
Yeah.
(10m 39s) Kevin:
Clean up Midgar.
(10m 41s)
Um.
(10m 41s) Codey:
Yep.
(10m 43s) Kevin:
Yeah.
(10m 44s) Codey:
Um, but yeah, so that I, that’s a nice little what we’ve been up to, uh, what, what we’ve been doing with our lives.
Entymology Corner
(10m 54s) Codey:
So we’ll jump into Cody’s entomology corner.
(10m 59s)
So this is, again, where I’m going to talk about some stuff.
(11m 1s)
Um, So before we jump into like going through diversity.
(11m 5s)
Kevin, do you have any itching, burning bug questions about bugs or bug adjacent things that you would like to ask about?
(11m 11s) Kevin:
Oh, I asked, wait, I asked one a while ago.
(11m 15s)
Did you answer?
(11m 15s)
I don’t know if you did.
(11m 16s) Codey:
So I think, I think your, 1st of all, I got to find this threat.
(11m 16s) Kevin:
It was put in the thread.
(11m 20s) Codey:
I should have been doing this already.
(11m 21s)
Um, but I think your question was just why bugs?
(11m 25s)
If I remember…
(11m 25s) Kevin:
No, no, there was another, there was a genuine one.
(11m 27s)
Um, I think it was conservation success stories.
(11m 30s)
Come back stories.
(11m 32s)
Do you know of any bug MX?
(11m 35s) Codey:
I feel like the monarch is kind of an in progress one.
(11m 41s)
Um…
(11m 41s) Kevin:
Ooh, that’s exciting.
(11m 42s) Codey:
So that’s something that people have, um, like we have gotten it fast enough, uh, talked about it soon enough where we actually have time to kind of reverse course.
(11m 56s)
So people were able to tell that there was an issue with monarchs.
(12m 2s)
And part of that, part of those declines, because they are so charismatic, like you, people, they were very, uh, it was very obvious that they were suddenly not as common anymore.
(12m 11s) Kevin:
Yeah.
(12m 13s) Codey:
Um, and so, We were able to like kind of, kind of turn back the, the hand of time a little bit.
(12m 21s)
Um, and it was mostly just to preserve their wintering, other overwintering grounds, which is in Mexico, and then making sure that there is enough habitat elsewhere, um, specifically, uh, milk like milkweed.
(12m 22s) Kevin:
Dick.
(12m 38s) Codey:
Um, So, and I think we’ve, we’re, it’s, that’s happened.
(12m 39s) Kevin:
Right, right.
(12m 44s) Codey:
Like, I think we’ve done a fairly good job of that.
(12m 46s) Kevin:
Awesome.
(12m 47s) Codey:
Um, it’s still in, like, constantly in progress and also because we, now we know about this area in Mexico and that has been preserved for, um, these things.
(12m 51s) Kevin:
Sure.
(12m 59s) Codey:
There are some other issues.
(13m 1s)
Um, like, people want to log in that area, for example, um, so, like, but now, at least we’ve protected it before, because it would have sucked if, like, that had happened, and then we were like, wow, now there’s really no one, no monarchs, right?
(13m 6s) Kevin:
Hmm.
(13m 15s)
Yeah.
(13m 16s) Codey:
But it’s been a really successful campaign of getting people to plant milkweed.
(13m 20s)
They’re really charismatic.
(13m 21s)
Another one that’s kind of coming up, um, is fireflies.
(13m 25s)
So a lot of folks are noticing there’s fewer fireflies.
(13m 27s)
So there’s some efforts to, um, kind of bring those back.
(13m 32s)
It’s really hard with insects because there’s not like a specific individual species.
(13m 38s) Kevin:
Yeah.
(13m 38s) Codey:
There, like, there is currently only one insect, um, on, um, check those before.
(13m 46s)
Um, it on the endangered species thing, which is uh, that is recognised by the United States, at least, the Endangered Species Act.
(13m 56s)
And it’s, um, the Rusty Patched Bumblebee, which is Bombas Athenas, and that has been extirpated from much of its range across, um, uh, sorry, I’m still trying to like pull this up, um, across the United States, but it’s still kind of in the middle, mid States.
(14m 14s)
So it’s actually impacted some people’s ability to do certain research.
(14m 18s)
So I, for example, set traps.
(14m 20s)
Like I just put a trap up and then walk away, but people can’t do that anymore because they might collect this insect.
(14m 28s)
Um,
(14m 29s)
Let me see.
(14m 31s)
I’m trying to see if there’s like a specific.
(14m 32s) Kevin:
That’s all.
(14m 34s) Codey:
Oh, I guess there’s also a grasshopper.
(14m 36s)
But the, the, um, Rusty Patch Bumblebee is kind of like another charismatic one.
(14m 41s)
So.
(14m 43s) Kevin:
Sure.
(14m 43s) Codey:
Um, I think just in general, it’s the just the vibe of trying to preserve insects as a whole.
(14m 43s) Kevin:
Sure, that makes sense.
(14m 45s)
I mean.
(14m 50s) Codey:
It’s really great that that has really become a little bit more in the forefront.
(14m 50s) Kevin:
Yeah.
(14m 55s) Codey:
Not only with bees, though it is really frustrating when, as an entomologist, when people are like, I’m like, yeah, we need to save the bees, and then they talk about the honeybee, because that is not native to North America.
(15m 6s)
And like we’re talking about, say, our native pollinators that are, that often have like really intricate relationships with the flowers that they’ve co-evolved with, not like basically the chicken, which is that we, we say that the honeybee is basically like a chicken.
(15m 21s)
Um, because it’s something that you farm.
(15m 24s)
It’s something that we brought in to vantage.
(15m 26s)
Um, and it’s so it’s livestock, basically.
(15m 29s)
And if you were to say that you wanted to save birds, like songbirds, the endangered songbirds of North America, and you had a picture of a chicken, like that is the equivalent.
(15m 40s) Kevin:
Yeah.
(15m 40s) Codey:
That’s the equivalent.
(15m 42s)
Dr. Lawrence Packer from in Canada as the person who came up with that analogy and we love it.
(15m 47s) Kevin:
It’s strong.
(15m 47s) Codey:
Um, So, but yeah, I think there has been more of a move, like honeymoons are still important.
(15m 57s)
We still need them for agriculture, whatever, but I think there’s been more of a move away from in such a gross and such a bad to kind of, okay, well, we need them.
(16m 5s)
Like they are important.
(16m 6s)
Uh, so.
(16m 7s) Kevin:
They are, as illustrated, by 2007’s the B movie.
(16m 13s) Codey:
No.
(16m 15s)
Kevin’s trying to get me.
(16m 16s) Kevin:
It does, in fact, tackle.
(16m 17s) Codey:
Kevin’s trying to get me to um…
(16m 22s) Kevin:
Acknowledge the movie.
(16m 22s) Codey:
Yeah, acknowledge the B movie.
(16m 25s)
Uh, and also I’ve never watched it.
(16m 27s)
Like I have.
(16m 27s) Kevin:
Well, no joke.
(16m 29s)
It does, in fact, tackle the topic of what happens when you don’t have pollinators anymore.
(16m 33s) Codey:
That’s true.
(16m 34s)
It’s true.
(16m 35s)
Um, okay, so you asked that question, but you also asked which bug is most likely or already has taken over the world.
(16m 42s)
Um,
(16m 43s) Kevin:
I did know this one actually.
(16m 45s) Codey:
It was ants.
(16m 45s) Kevin:
It is ants, yeah.
(16m 47s) Codey:
There are so many ants.
(16m 50s)
Uh,
(16m 50s) Kevin:
It is their world and we are just living in it now.
(16m 53s) Codey:
Like, in your own backyard, there could be dozens of species of ants.
(16m 58s)
And they are just so effective at what they do.
(17m 1s)
They completely restructure their entire ecosystem.
(17m 5s)
So, like, if you have a certain ant species in an area, can completely change what other insect species you have because they might dominate certain resources that kind of like push out other insects.
(17m 16s)
There are also some ant species that have minimal impact on other species.
(17m 20s)
So it’s not like, that’s not like, oh, yeah, they’re bad or anything like that.
(17m 22s) Kevin:
Mm-hmm.
(17m 24s) Codey:
And often they are doing it.
(17m 26s)
They’re doing good things, actually.
(17m 28s)
Um, for their environment, um, not just like, uh, pushing things out.
(17m 34s)
Like they might actually bring things in as well.
(17m 36s)
Okay, I was going to go on a bit of a tirade, but I’m not going to about something completely unrelated, but I will talk about that in a different episode because I will make a note to mention that.
(17m 37s) Kevin:
It.
(17m 44s)
Okay.
(17m 44s)
Well, I will say that ants don’t just, you know, affect the other insects there.
(17m 45s) Codey:
Um,
(17m 52s) Kevin:
They can have an impact on your life too.
(17m 55s)
Um, so one uh, uh, one of my favourite little incidents in my current apartment complex.
(17m 56s) Codey:
Yes.
(18m 3s)
Oh no.
(18m 3s) Kevin:
Oh, yeah.
(18m 6s)
Um, I live on the ground floor.
(18m 8s)
Um, uh, and there are ants here in southern Georgia as as well as everywhere else in the world, basically.
(18m 15s)
Um, and one time we had, um, a colony of ants, uh, starting to set a nest on our curtains.
(18m 24s)
Um, that was, that was wild.
(18m 26s) Codey:
Yep.
(18m 27s)
Mm-hmm.
(18m 28s) Kevin:
Thankfully, you know, we got out of it pretty free, but I’m I’m sorry, Cody, we we’re not okay with the colony of ants living on our curtains, so.
(18m 38s) Codey:
That, you know, I don’t blame you.
(18m 40s)
I’m always, it’s so funny.
(18m 40s) Kevin:
So we.
(18m 42s) Codey:
People are always like, oh, I’m sorry, but like, I’m sorry I had to get rid of this bug that was a pest in my in my home and I’m like, I get that.
(18m 49s)
Like, that’s okay.
(18m 51s) Kevin:
Yeah, yeah, I’m like, there might have been a better solution, but you know, you had to act fast because our curtains are suddenly black.
(18m 59s)
Um…
(19m) Codey:
Yeah.
(19m 1s) Kevin:
Anyways, but yeah.
(19m 6s) Codey:
They do be taken over.
(19m 8s) Kevin:
Yeah.
(19m 9s)
Um, uh, but going back to the other question, good, uh, good on the monarchs and the, and the, and the bees, um, the monarch butterfly, uh, and the fireflies.
(19m 20s) Codey:
Mm-hmm.
(19m 20s) Kevin:
Um, as a as a Mexican guy, obviously, like, yeah, monarch butterflies are cool.
(19m 28s) Codey:
Mm-hmm.
(19m 28s) Kevin:
Um, but, um, I mean, I know they’re all over the place too, but, um, but fireflies, man, fireflies are so cool.
(19m 34s) Codey:
Mm-hmm.
(19m 34s) Kevin:
Um, I didn’t live in an area of fireflies until I came to Atlanta.
(19m 40s)
Um, and man, they really are just kind of me.
(19m 40s) Codey:
Mm-hmm.
(19m 44s)
Mm-hmm.
(19m 46s) Kevin:
Oh yeah.
(19m 48s) Codey:
Yeah, I, so I hadn’t seen them until I moved to the East Coast.
(19m 51s)
So, There are fireflies on the west coast, but the ones, the species that exist on the west coast don’t bioluminous.
(20m 1s)
So they don’t light up.
(20m 2s)
It’s the species that are on the, like, east of the Rocky Mountains.
(20m 6s)
Basically, they haven’t made it over the Rocky Mountains.
(20m 8s)
The Rockies are just this great barrier that kind of divides a lot of ecological communities.
(20m 12s)
Um, the ones on the east side are the ones that actually like light up and do things.
(20m 19s)
And there are some that all light up at the same time or they almost like might do it in like a wave.
(20m 24s)
They are so cool and so charismatic and they are, they’re larvae are predatory and will eat a lot of pest things and they’re just really cool in general.
(20m 35s)
Um, and so it’s another thing that like people fondly remember fireflies or catching fireflies, watching the fireflies, and now we’re seeing that there are fewer of them and people are like, hmm, why is that?
(20m 47s)
And so that’s another kind of really good indicator, positive experience that people can have that can show them like, hey, we need to protect these things.
(20m 56s)
Um, because you, remember how your parents used to say, like the whole backyard used to be lit up and now it’s not.
(21m 2s)
Um, So, but we will, we will fix them.
(21m 6s) Kevin:
Oh man. You know what?
(21m 9s)
I’ll throw another question your way.
(21m 11s)
You just reminded me.
(21m 12s)
You play with bugs, I like, or like, what bugs did you play with as a gig?
(21m 16s)
Because I feel like most kids at one point or other play with a bug here.
(21m 18s) Codey:
Okay.
(21m 20s)
Um, I, I don’t think I have like a specific bug.
(21m 24s)
I definitely, I used to catch praying mantises and then I would feed them.
(21m 29s)
Um, I would then catch grasshoppers and feed them grasshoppers.
(21m 33s)
We used to catch ladybugs and give them to our neighbour lady, um, because she would put them on her strawberry bushes and then she would make a strawberry pie.
(21m 41s)
Um, I used to catch.
(21m 42s) Kevin:
Oh.
(21m 44s) Codey:
I used to take like a Coke bottle, a plastic Coke bottle and catch bees in it.
(21m 48s)
Um, and then kind of watch them fight, which in hindsight is not great.
(21m 53s)
Um,
(21m 55s)
Uh, I, I, my mom has this hilarious story of me as a kid where there were a bunch of ladybugs in my babysitter’s yard and um, I thought one had flown up my nose and I was so worried like all day.
(22m 11s)
I’m like, mom, I can’t get it out.
(22m 12s)
It’s going to die.
(22m 13s)
Like, I don’t want it to die in my nose.
(22m 15s)
Like, I, like, I don’t want her to die in there.
(22m 17s)
Like, I want her to go and like live her life and like get out of my nose.
(22m 21s)
And my mom was like, there’s not a lady bug in your nose.
(22m 24s)
I’m like, there really is.
(22m 25s)
And then and I wouldn’t go to sleep. And she finally was just like, okay, fine.
(22m 28s)
And she like plugged one side of my nose or whatever because whatever side it was and had me blow as hard as I possibly could. And out popped a, unfortunately dead, ladybug at that point.
(22m 38s) Kevin:
Wait, oh, it actually was up there?
(22m 40s) Codey:
There was, there was a dead lady bug up there.
(22m 41s) Kevin:
Oh my goodness.
(22m 43s) Codey:
Um.
(22m 45s) Kevin:
Woo hoo!
(22m 45s) Codey:
Yeah, like, if, I don’t know.
(22m 49s)
If it, it would have come out eventually, it’s fine, but, uh, yeah.
(22m 55s)
And she was, she was talking about how, how worried I was for the ladybug’s sake, basically.
(23m)
Um, so yeah, I always liked them.
(23m 3s)
I always caught them as a kid.
(23m 4s)
I was never really that afraid of them, but I always thought I was going to like save the wolves.
(23m 8s)
I thought I was going to work with mammals.
(23m 11s)
And so I went to school to study mammals and got my undergraduate degree in fisheries and wildlife.
(23m 18s)
And then during all of that.
(23m 20s)
I got a technician position working on a B project. And I was like, wait a minute.
(23m 25s)
I actually love this.
(23m 27s)
Like this is actually great.
(23m 30s)
And my mom was like, yeah, you were always playing with bugs.
(23m 32s)
Um, And so it was just kind of like a, I hadn’t realised that this could be a career.
(23m 39s)
Um, and I can still fall back on like just general wildlife biology, but I just really like bugs and I think they’re so important.
(23m 47s)
And so not only misunderstood, but also just like people don’t even recognise how important they are to their environment or how diverse they are or whatever.
(23m 58s)
So, um, I’m here to to yap at people about books.
(24m 2s)
Um, and then it’s also really fun as an entomologist.
(24m 7s)
I actually, one of our friends, I want to say it was Name.
(24m 10s)
Ooh, I might be wrong.
(24m 12s)
Um, But someone like texted me the other day and was like, hey, Cody, what bug is this?
(24m 19s)
And, you know, I could tell immediately.
(24m 23s)
Um, And I was just like, oh, it’s this.
(24m 27s)
But I’m pretty sure it’s this, but let me check.
(24m 30s)
And I was right.
(24m 32s)
But it was just like off the cuff, like gut reaction and like people are just like, oh, you’re so cool.
(24m 39s)
Like, I was like, I mean, yeah, but it’s also just like really cool.
(24m 39s) Kevin:
Yeah.
(24m 45s) Codey:
To just, I don’t know, bugs are cool.
(24m 48s)
Like, I think, and I think it, like, people come to me, and it’s so funny, because people are always like, I’m so sorry to bother you, like, but could you tell me what this is?
(24m 56s)
Or, and it’s just like, please bother me, please.
(25m)
Like, you could bother me every single day with pictures of bugs.
(25m 4s)
And I would tell you, and I would get so excited every single time, like, there’s never been a moment when someone has told me, hey, can you know, can you tell me what this is? And I haven’t been excited.
(25m 13s)
I said that and then I immediately was like, mm, that’s not right.
(25m 16s)
The only time I don’t, I’m not excited.
(25m 19s)
is when I then see the photo and it’s a Bigfoot photo of a black blur.
(25m 24s)
And I’m like, I can’t even tell you if this is a living organism, let alone…
(25m 31s)
Like folks, if you want, uh, someone, and this isn’t just for bugs.
(25m 36s)
Like, this is also for birds, like, whatever, if you want your biology friends to identify something for you, the picture has got to be as best as you’re able clear and in focus.
(25m 49s)
And you aren’t moving and they aren’t moving and as close as you can get, like, I, I’m sorry, you can’t give me a picture of a football field and then ask me to identify the bug on the 10 yard line. Like, I’m not, but, Yeah, so I mean, sometimes I can’t.
(26m 6s)
Sometimes I’m like, okay, those are not a great photo, but it’s this.
(26m 9s)
I know what it is.
(26m 10s)
Some things you can still tell, but for the most part, no.
(26m 14s) Kevin:
Oh, that’s awesome.
(26m 15s)
Um.
(26m 16s) Codey:
It’s really fun.
(26m 17s)
Well, and then whenever we have an in-person, I haven’t seen you in person at any event yet, but uh, when we have like in-person Pokemon events, with our friend group.
(26m 28s)
Um, We always, if we’re like walking around at like a park or something, I will eventually find like a bug and then it’s like everyone kind of crowds around me and I’m telling like our friend group, oh, here’s the cicada and here’s what it does and here’s like I’m like showing it to everyone.
(26m 45s)
And then suddenly I look up and there’s like 30 other people watching and like trying to get a good look because it’s usually like Pokemon Go Fest or whatever.
(26m 54s)
And I’m all excited about this bug and I’m just like, oh, do you guys want to see it?
(27m)
Oh, so it’s really funny.
(27m 3s)
But I really enjoy it.
(27m 4s) Kevin:
Oh, that’s awesome.
(27m 6s) Codey:
Um, I wish someone would pay me for it.
(27m 10s)
Maybe one day.
(27m 12s)
It’s just not a great time right now for that, but it’s all good.
(27m 13s) Kevin:
Oh.
(27m 14s)
Well, it’s, it’s not, uh, if it’s any condolence, it’s not a great time for a lot of things.
(27m 24s) Codey:
Correct.
(27m 25s)
And sometimes you just have to be like, okay, like we’re just gonna.
(27m 29s) Kevin:
Uh, yeah, uh.
(27m 30s) Codey:
We’re just gonna move on with our boys.
(27m 31s) Kevin:
Yeah.
(27m 33s) Codey:
Okay.
(27m 35s)
We should probably get into this diversity stuff and then talk about Budgie’s bug shop.
(27m 40s)
Um, So how this works, Kev, uh, and and folks, is I’m gonna kind of go through the diversity of bugs.
(27m 48s)
So last time, I talked about where insects are within the like larger group of arthropods and how they’re really, they’re closely, they’re related to things like shellfish, crustaceans, um, like spiders, millipedes, but then within that, there’s hexapods, hexapoda, so 6 legs, um, and and insects are within that.
(28m 12s)
along with some other groups.
(28m 15s)
And within insects, there are those who, uh, are not do not have wings, which I talked about.
(28m 22s)
And then today we’re going to start getting into the winged insects.
(28m 26s)
So everything else, all other bugs from here on out are within the group tarragoda, which literally just means winged.
(28m 34s)
Um, So these insects have wings at or evolved from groups that had wings at some stage.
(28m 42s)
Some insects lose them or might drop their wings, but at some point in their life stage, they had wings or something similar to a wing.
(28m 51s)
Um, that sound good, Kev?
(28m 54s)
you have any questions or are you good just for me to just yap on?
(28m 55s) Kevin:
Uh, nope, nap on.
(28m 57s) Codey:
Okay.
(28m 58s)
So within, uh, the winged episode, insects, there are, um, uh, 3 groups, and I’m going to cover 2 of them today.
(29m 7s)
So one of those groups is called Paleoptera, or Ancient Wing.
(29m 12s)
Um, and so the uh, Paleoptera, like this group is basically was put together initially by scientists, um, because they thought that they didn’t fold their wings.
(29m 25s)
So they didn’t like put their wings back against their body.
(29m 29s)
They either held them out or held them back behind their body, but they never put it against their body, like laid it down flat.
(29m 36s)
Um, but that actually isn’t really a trait.
(29m 42s)
That’s not really a thing about…
(29m 44s)
And so this group of quote unquote Paleoptera is basically just now, uh, considered an assemblage or a grouping of everything that is not Neoptera.
(29m 58s)
So it’s like, basically just a, uh, it’s the only reason it’s different is it’s only, um, distinguishing feature is that it’s not this other thing.
(30m 6s)
Um, and this is an example of what’s called a waste basket taxon or a junk taxon, a junk group.
(30m 13s)
So this is like, you know, you have things that are super obvious and super like, like this is clearly different from this.
(30m 20s)
This is clearly different from this, and all of these things we’re just going to put in one group because we don’t know.
(30m 26s) Kevin:
Oh man, that’s some Aristotle level of Greek classification.
(30m 30s) Codey:
Yeah.
(30m 31s)
Yeah.
(30m 32s)
Um, a lot of these, uh, groups were when they were 1st, um, kind of put in an order by, by, uh, Carl Linnaeus, however you want to say it, um, they were put together based on like just what they look like, just morphology.
(30m 49s)
And that works for some things, but doesn’t work for everything because some things, I mean, as we know, everything returns to crab, right?
(30m 58s) Kevin:
Yeah, the ultimate life form.
(30m 58s) Codey:
Like, there’s a certain life, like, strategy life form, whatever you want to say, that is optimal or is well adapted for a lot of different things.
(31m 8s)
So, uh, even if they, some groups have had diverged and were separate things, they might come to kind of almost like return to being similar because they do similar things.
(31m 20s)
They evolved similar things under similar, um, like in similar environments.
(31m 25s)
And so just looking at something physically and trying to group it doesn’t always work.
(31m 31s)
Um, so that’s what this group is.
(31m 34s)
Um, and there are a handful of orders in this.
(31m 38s)
So we’re going to go through the orders of Paleoptera or Ancient Wing.
(31m 42s)
So the 1st one is Odonata, which is the dragonflies in the town, and these are also in no particular order.
(31m 49s)
Um, Odonada, which are the dragonflies and the damsel flies.
(31m 53s)
Um, so.
(31m 55s) Kevin:
Those bit me once.
(31m 56s) Codey:
Really?
(31m 57s) Kevin:
Oh yeah, I’ve gotten bitten by a dragonfly.
(32m) Codey:
Like the nymph or the adult?
(32m 2s) Kevin:
No, the adult.
(32m 2s) Codey:
Oh, that’s so wild.
(32m 4s) Kevin:
Yeah, uh, I don’t remember, but it got me in.
(32m 4s) Codey:
How?
(32m 7s)
Okay.
(32m 9s) Kevin:
Yeah, that was smart.
(32m 9s) Codey:
Okay.
(32m 11s)
Dude, they are so smart.
(32m 13s)
So, um.
(32m 15s)
Dragonflies themselves are the most efficient aerial predators of the animal kingdom.
(32m 20s)
So they have like a 90% success rate of hunting of like catching and they catch things like they are they are hunting other flying insects.
(32m 30s)
So they are, they do these incredible aerial manoeuvres.
(32m 31s) Kevin:
That’s insane.
(32m 35s) Codey:
Each of their wings.
(32m 36s)
So they have 4 wings.
(32m 37s)
Each wing has its own musculature, and so they are able to manipulate each of their wings independently.
(32m 45s)
Um, allowing for these crazy, like, feats of, of flight, ridiculous.
(32m 46s) Kevin:
That’s also insane.
(32m 53s) Codey:
Um, I’ll talk more about that in a second, but I wanted to say, uh, the difference between dragonflies and damsel flies.
(32m 59s)
So dragonflies are more what we call robust, so it’s pretty stocky.
(33m 3s)
And they hold their wings out at rest.
(33m 6s)
So imagine a dragonfly if you can.
(33m 9s)
Their wings are like out, away from their body.
(33m 13s)
Um, and kind of make their silhouette, uh, kind of a T shape because their wings are out.
(33m 20s)
Damsel flies are what we call gray isle or thin.
(33m 25s)
Um, and they hold their wings behind them at rest.
(33m 28s)
So the wings actually go back behind their body.
(33m 32s)
Um, and they’re really cute.
(33m 35s)
Uh, I actually, some one of my favourite species, uh, with an Odenata is a damsel fly.
(33m 40s)
Um, I’m going to pull it up for you, and then you can ooen all over it.
(33m 43s)
Um, for people to have to look at later.
(33m 47s)
I mean, I’m just going to pull it up on a naturalist.
(33m 50s)
Again, folks, use eye naturalists.
(33m 52s)
I also went over the things that I use, um, in the last episode, uh, the things I use for insect identification and looking at bugs, uh, in your area.
(34m 1s)
It’s very fun.
(34m 2s)
I love eye naturalist.
Ebony Jewelwing
(34m 3s) Codey:
Okay, there it is.
(34m 4s)
Ebony Jewel Wing.
(34m 6s)
Do you see that?
(34m 7s) Kevin:
Oh, look at that.
(34m 8s)
That’s so cool looking.
(34m 9s)
That’s a look like green.
(34m 12s) Codey:
Yeah.
(34m 12s) Kevin:
Wow.
(34m 12s) Codey:
So they are this beautiful emerald colour, but they’re called ebony jewel wings because their wings, I think it’s just the males, but their wings are black.
(34m 22s)
So they have these black wings and these beautiful emerald, blue, shimmering like body.
(34m 29s)
Um, they are so cute.
(34m 32s)
I love them.
(34m 33s)
Um, one of my favourite hikes that I go on every year.
(34m 34s) Kevin:
Yeah that’s a good one.
(34m 36s) Codey:
I go on because I know that these are in that area.
(34m 39s)
Um, dragonflies themselves inspire a ton of innovations.
(34m 39s) Kevin:
That’s on.
Entymology Corner
(34m 47s) Codey:
So I put 2 links in here that folks can look at, but I’ll just mention them briefly.
(34m 52s)
So there’s a study that shows that dragonflies can see colours that humans can’t, and it’s something that, um, it’s a deeper, uh, red light, uh, image, and it is something that they’re actually going to try and, um, change medicine and, like, have a, some innovations, um, with being able to see and, like, help people see, I think.
(35m 14s)
Um, for medical use.
(35m 17s)
I’m trying to see the exact optogenetics.
(35m 21s)
Um, it uses light sensitive proteins to control and study cells.
(35m 25s)
Um, oh, no, sorry.
(35m 27s)
So it’s going to be used in like in protein stuff.
(35m 31s)
But that’s really cool.
(35m 33s)
So that’s medicine.
(35m 34s)
So they’re even just their eyes can will, uh, is inspiring, um, innovative innovations in, like, uh, medicine.
(35m 45s)
But then their wings.
(35m 47s)
There’s this lovely article on entomology today, which is a, um, newsletter thing that, uh, I, people should totally, um, subscribe to.
(36m)
I actually will have an article coming out in entomology today fairly soon.
(36m 3s) Kevin:
Oh, yo.
(36m 4s) Codey:
About neurodiversity.
(36m 6s)
Um, and so, uh, but there’s this article about how um, dragonfly wings are thinner than a human hair, but they’re highly durable.
(36m 17s)
They have antimicrobial, water resistant, and anti-reflective properties, and there’s this image on it that I love that kind of talks about, um, the properties of the wings and what different things they could do.
(36m 29s)
And so there’s like differential light absorption.
(36m 31s)
So the wings actually absorb different lights.
(36m 33s)
They are hydrophobic, so they will water can’t get through them.
(36m 37s)
They have really sensorized veins.
(36m 39s)
So, a lot of insect veins.
(36m 42s)
The reasoning to have veins on your wings is to provide a rigid structure for your wing so that it doesn’t just like crumple like a like a, uh, plastic bag in the wind, right?
(36m 54s)
Like you need some type of structure holding it together.
(36m 57s)
But they also have, like, sensory organs on that, like little sensilla, um, like hairs that can sense things that can help them kind of do that quick change, um, in in flight.
(37m 10s)
Uh, they have, they just have so many, um, different things.
(37m 14s) Kevin:
Meh.
(37m 15s)
It’s kind unfair.
(37m 15s) Codey:
And so this is all inspiring.
(37m 18s) Kevin:
Like.
(37m 20s)
Can’t even keep all our teeth, man.
(37m 20s) Codey:
So this is.
(37m 22s)
Yeah, no, and they have all this stuff.
(37m 25s)
And so we, uh, they’re also being used to, like, so to develop waterproof materials and to, um, develop new innovations in flight, uh, and like new drones and stuff like that.
(37m 37s)
And so, They’re super cool.
(37m 40s)
Love dragonflies.
(37m 43s)
Um, Yeah.
(37m 43s) Kevin:
They’re pretty red.
(37m 45s) Codey:
Uh, the next order is Ephemeroptera, which are the Mayflies.
(37m 51s)
So they’re called ephemeroppera because they are ephemeral.
(37m 54s)
The word means lasting for a markedly brief time.
(37m 58s)
So Mayflies are so-called.
(38m)
They are not true flies.
(38m 1s)
They’re their own group, but they are so named because across most of their range, they really, um, come out in abundance in May.
(38m 12s)
And so, um, they just come out and these, all these droves, they have, they, um, pupate and and their adult stage comes out and they just are all looking for mates and laying eggs and all of that.
(38m 23s)
Um, they usually live.
(38m 25s)
They have an aquatic lifestyle as a larvae.
(38m 27s)
So the larva lives in the water.
(38m 28s)
Um, and is really important, is one of the 3 orders that are super, super important for uh, water quality indicators.
(38m 37s)
So it’s this group and then Plecopter, which are the stone flies and and Tricopter, which is the caddis flies.
(38m 44s)
So those 3 groups, um, can be really effective, if you just survey it for those groups in a water street in like a stream or another type of, uh, water source.
(38m 54s)
Depending on the species that you find in that survey, it’ll tell you how good of a quality water that is.
(39m 1s)
Um, way better than just like taking the pH would do.
(39m 5s)
Um, they also are one of the orders that, um, people that fish.
(39m 10s)
They will uh,
(39m 12s)
what’s called a fly tie, or Thai fly, like, yeah, fly tie, where they will make a fly fishing.
(39m 18s)
It’s called fly fishing because you are trying to mimic the behaviour of one of those, one of these flies to, and the fish are like coming up to eat these flies as the flies are like kind of touching the water and laying eggs in the water.
(39m 30s)
And so you make a hook that is that has all kinds of wraps, um, like different things and feathers.
(39m 37s)
They’re trying to mimic Mayflies, basically.
(39m 40s)
Um, and fly tying is like its whole, a whole art on its own.
(39m 46s)
Some people make some really cool ties.
(39m 48s)
I’ve seen some that like, I’m like, oh, that’s a cool Mayfly.
(39m 51s)
And then I’m like, wait a minute, that is not a that’s not a bug.
(39m 53s)
Yeah, you got me.
(39m 54s) Kevin:
You got me.
(39m 57s) Codey:
Um, and while they can be annoying if you’re trying to fish, um, or if you live next to a water source and it’s May, and then suddenly all of your, for like 2 a week or something, like all of your buildings are covered in either Mayflies, stone flies are the same.
(40m 13s)
Um, and caddis flies are also the same.
(40m 16s)
Uh, it can be annoying, but they are really, uh, really important for upper terrific levels.
(40m 22s)
So, like birds eat them, fish eat them, like all of this other stuff.
(40m 24s)
So.
(40m 24s)
Pretty cool.
(40m 26s)
So those are the 2 uh, junk drawer attacks.
(40m 32s)
Those are the 2 ancient winged ones and then everything going forward.
(40m 36s)
Um, is in what’s called kneoptera or new wing.
(40m 41s)
Um,
(40m 42s)
And within this, there’s even a couple groups.
(40m 46s)
So, uh, the 1st one is called Polyneoptera, which is many wings.
(40m 52s)
I genuinely have no idea why it’s called many wings, um, because they all have the same amount of wings.
(40m 59s) Kevin:
What are you talking?
(41m)
What are you talking about?
(41m 1s)
There’s the order of the one wing bugs fair.
(41m 4s)
Well known.
(41m 4s) Codey:
Yeah.
(41m 6s)
So, yeah, so there’s the one wings and then there’s the mini wings now.
(41m 9s)
Um, so polyneothra of any wings.
(41m 12s)
Many of these groups have what are called leathery 4 wings. They’re called Tegmina.
(41m 17s)
Um, so if you think about like Amantis, for example, you don’t really see like to, when they’re flying or something, like they don’t have 4 wings.
(41m 27s)
Um, they have adapted their 4 wing, their front wings to be or bigger wing, the ones that are normally larger.
(41m 35s)
They’ve adapted those to instead be like a leather covering, um, that kind of protects their other wings.
(41m 42s)
So a lot of group, a lot of, um, insect orders within this group of polineobra.
(41m 47s)
Um, have that as at some point in their life.
(41m 51s)
Um, So they all have like, you don’t just have for, you don’t look at it and they’re like, oh, it has 4 wings.
(41m 52s) Kevin:
Oh, okay, okay, I know.
(41m 58s) Codey:
Like one of the pairs of wings has kind of been co-opted to be like a protecting protective shield.
(42m 3s)
That’s kind of leathery.
(42m 5s)
So the 1st order is called zoraptura or angel insects.
(42m 9s)
Um, Zor means Z-O-R, means pure, and Aptera means no wings.
(42m 16s)
So these look like termites, and they don’t, they don’t have, like many of them either don’t have wings or drop their wings.
(42m 24s)
It’s only some forms that have wings.
(42m 27s)
So they basically looked at, like, previous entomologists, whoever named these things, looked at them and were like, oh, these are pure.
(42m 33s)
They do not have wings.
(42m 34s)
Um, and I think that purity is why they’re called angel insects.
(42m 39s)
Um,
(42m 40s) Kevin:
Typically accurate insects.
(42m 40s) Codey:
I have a biblically accurate.
(42m 45s)
Um, this is not something that most people see.
(42m 47s)
I’ve never seen a Zeraptoran.
(42m 49s)
Um, they, they really just, I don’t, like, honestly, if I were to flip a log, I probably think of the termite at 1st glance.
(42m 55s) Kevin:
It, it, uh, look, as, as the, an utter layman other than living in the south for a good part of my life, this, this, yeah, it just looks like a bug, a term, I, like, I, I could not tell you what that was looking at it.
(42m 56s) Codey:
Um,
(43m 4s)
Yeah.
(43m 5s)
Yeah.
(43m 9s)
Yeah, so, but it’s but they’re different.
(43m 12s)
I don’t remember exactly how, but they’re different.
(43m 14s)
So.
(43m 14s) Kevin:
They have a little, they have a longer antennae, looking things and termites.
(43m 18s) Codey:
Yeah.
(43m 20s)
No, not all.
(43m 21s)
Hashtag not all terminations.
(43m 22s) Kevin:
Well, yeah, hashtag no alternate.
(43m 24s)
you know?
(43m 25s)
Well, to the commonly, man.
(43m 27s)
When I think termite, I think of a mandible thing, but anyways, um, yeah, I don’t know.
(43m 32s) Codey:
Yep.
(43m 33s)
It sure looks like a termite.
(43m 35s)
Okay, the next order are Dermatura, which are the earwigs.
(43m 36s) Kevin:
Sure does.
(43m 41s) Codey:
Um, or eager wings.
(43m 44s)
Some there’s all kinds of names that people have for these things.
(43m 46s) Kevin:
Yeah.
(43m 47s) Codey:
Um, the name means skin wings.
(43m 50s)
And again, this is in relation to the fact that they have these leathery, uh, one of their, uh, pairs of wings is like this leathery, almost covering, and it literally just looks like they have like, it just looks like it’s skin.
(44m 2s)
Like, it’s the part of the back or something.
(44m 3s) Kevin:
It does.
(44m 4s) Codey:
And then the other, the true wings that they rarely use.
(44m 9s)
Um, kind of seem to come from under that.
(44m 10s) Kevin:
Yeah.
(44m 12s) Codey:
Like they they seem to come from the skin.
(44m 14s)
I think that is why they’re called that.
(44m 17s)
So these get a really bad rap because people look at it, they’re like, 0 my gosh, it’s pinch.
(44m 17s) Kevin:
Yeah.
(44m 23s) Codey:
pinch me.
(44m 23s)
And then, of course, the name, like earwaves.
(44m 24s) Kevin:
It.
(44m 25s) Codey:
Like everyone’s like, oh, it’s going to crawl on my ear.
(44m 27s)
It’s not going to do that.
(44m 27s) Kevin:
Yeah, it’s.
(44m 30s) Codey:
Like,
(44m 30s) Kevin:
Yeah, unfortunately, they get the the award for scariest looking bug that will absolutely not do anything to you in the slightest.
(44m 39s) Codey:
They, yeah, they’re, it’s not gonna, like, you really have to, and honestly, if you ever pick one up, if you ever see one of them that has those, um, the pincers on the back of the, um, of the abdomen, let it pinch you and realise that they are, it’s nothing.
(44m 53s)
Like it doesn’t really hurt.
(44m 55s)
There are other things that look innocent that will hurt you more.
(45m) Kevin:
Oh yeah.
(45m 1s) Codey:
So, really, I mean, if you see one and you’re like, ooh, like, take a moment, take a breath, be like, okay, yes, that was a that was a genuine reaction because this is a thing that looks weird, but I don’t have to then act on that feeling and then kill this because I think it looks weird.
(45m 17s)
Um, So the, uh, you always have maternal care.
(45m 22s)
I don’t I don’t remember if I said that already.
(45m 23s)
Um, so the the females will actually take pretty good care of their young.
(45m 28s)
Um, and they are one of the few non-social insect species that do this.
(45m 33s)
So they don’t, they live on their own independently.
(45m 35s)
Most of the most insects do.
(45m 36s)
Like they have, um, they don’t live in like a colony or anything like that.
(45m 41s)
Some will kind of co-opt the same space together and they might live kind of socially that way, but they are not part, they’re not like helping each other out.
(45m 49s)
They just kind of like live together.
(45m 50s)
Earbigs are on their own, on their own by themselves.
(45m 53s)
Um, So the mother pays really close attention to her eggs.
(45m 57s)
Um, she makes sure that they are warm.
(45m 59s)
She protects them.
(46m)
She will defend them from predators.
(46m 1s)
She won’t even leave, um, to eat until they’re, they start getting, like, they hatch and then they kind of get bigger.
(46m 8s)
Um, she also cleans the eggs to protect them from fungi.
(46m 12s)
So a lot of earwigs will live in like damp wood, uh, in the leaf litter, that kind of thing, which fungus can grow pretty easily in those areas.
(46m 20s)
So she will like take care of it and make sure that the fungus is not going to grow on them.
(46m 23s)
Um, and I think that, uh, there was an article that I read that, or that I saw that was like, even if you swap out her batch of eggs for like ones that are not viable, she’ll still take care of them for like a week because she still is like, maybe it’ll hatch, maybe it’ll hatch.
(46m 41s)
Um, So, yeah, people think that they’re uh, they’re gross, but they’re pretty freaking cool, actually.
(46m 42s) Kevin:
Dang.
(46m 49s) Codey:
Have you have you had any earwig experience?
(46m 51s) Kevin:
Yeah, that, that,
(46m 52s)
I mean, I see the, uh, in the area, I feel like I’ve seen them in person.
(46m 57s)
I don’t know the, we have so many bugs out here.
(46m 58s) Codey:
Yeah.
(47m) Kevin:
I lose track of what we are, but what we have.
(47m 3s)
But, um, uh, yeah, no, like nothing, uh, nothing direct other than.
(47m 10s) Codey:
Cool.
(47m 11s) Kevin:
Yeah, they do live in Georgia.
(47m 12s)
Okay, I definitely have seen them around.
(47m 13s) Codey:
Yeah.
(47m 14s)
So the next order is Plocoptera, which are the stone flies.
(47m 19s)
Plecoptera means braided wing, and that, um, is probably, they probably, uh, is in relation to the fact that their wings have a ton of veins.
(47m 29s)
Like it just seems like they have veins for days.
(47m 31s)
Like there’s so many and they don’t need that many things.
(47m 34s)
But they have them.
(47m 35s)
Um, and so like, but that’s probably why they’re named that.
(47m 40s)
Again, uh, these are a really great water quality indicator, and I think they’re common name of stone flies because their larvae are often like if you flip a stone in a in a stream, um, they’re often like clinging to the stone.
(47m 53s)
So, um, yeah, that’s that’s that’s them.
(47m 54s) Kevin:
Huh.
(47m 59s)
interesting little guy, little dudes.
(48m 1s)
I’m just looking at what their larva look like.
(48m 3s) Codey:
Mhm, mhm.
(48m 3s) Kevin:
interesting.
(48m 3s) Codey:
Um, next group is Orthoptera, uh, which means straight wing.
(48m 4s) Kevin:
Huh.
(48m 9s) Codey:
I have no idea why they’re called that.
(48m 11s)
So this includes crickets.
(48m 12s) Kevin:
To separate them from the gateway.
(48m 15s) Codey:
I’m screaming.
(48m 18s) Kevin:
Oh.
(48m 21s) Codey:
Oh, I’m gonna make a comment because I need to tell all of my friends that.
(48m 28s)
Oh my gosh.
(48m 30s)
Okay.
(48m 30s)
Thank you.
(48m 31s) Kevin:
This is why I’m here folks.
(48m 31s) Codey:
Thank you for that.
(48m 32s) Kevin:
This is all I can contribute.
(48m 34s) Codey:
Okay, so I can really think of anything specific to talk about Crickets Katy did’s grasshoppers.
(48m 41s)
I mean, people know them as locusts, quote unquote, are also in this where they like, defoliate, um, like, they can be really big pests, blah, blah, blah.
(48m 46s) Kevin:
Yeah.
(48m 51s) Codey:
But I wanted to highlight here, instead, the way that they have what their metamorphosis is.
(48m 57s)
So, um, things like Plecoptera, um, and other, they have what they have is they have uh, incomplete metamorphosis that includes a, an egg, and then an aquatic, uh, There’s a lar, larval stage, and then there’s usually another stage, and then they’re an adult.
(49m 16s)
But if something is hem metabolist and they have this kind of incomplete metaborphosis.
(49m 20s)
Basically the insect catches from the egg and it just kind of looks like a mini version of the adult, like a tiny, tiny version of the adult.
(49m 26s)
And, uh, insects have exoskeletons.
(49m 30s)
So they basically have their bones on the outside and they will grow and grow and grow, um, to, as they eat, and they will fill in that exoskeleton. And so when they start kind of butting up, like they’re too chonky for their exoskeleton, they kind of just have to like form a new one.
(49m 50s)
So, this, uh, insects that have hem metabolism, um, will grow and grow and grow, and then they’ll moult.
(49m 59s)
So they’ll get rid of that exoskeleton, that like shell.
(50m 3s)
And then they grow and grow and grow and then they mould.
(50m 6s)
And they just do this over and over until they’re at the adult stage and are sexually reproductive.
(50m 12s)
Um, Some of these stages, uh, these stages are called in-stars.
(50m 18s)
So, um, it’s just kind of the name that we have for them.
(50m 22s)
How many of those stages, those in-stars, a certain species has.
(50m 27s)
It really depends on the species.
(50m 29s)
And for a lot of them, you can actually tell, um, what instar it is based on certain morphological characters.
(50m 36s)
Um, so for some, some groups that might have, uh, different types of metamorphosis, they might have like like caterpillars, for example, they have complete metamorphosis, but their, the caterpillar stage has instars.
(50m 48s)
And at each one, it’s like, oh, I can tell that this is a 3rd instar of this caterpillar because it has this, these features, it looks like, has this colour.
(50m 56s)
It has this little horn thing, but it doesn’t have these other horn things.
(51m)
So sometimes for some groups, the instar is indicative of the, like how close they might be to being an adult.
(51m 8s)
Um, but sometimes with things like crickets and Katydids, I, I, I don’t know.
(51m 13s)
They basically like look the same, the same moult, look the same moult, and then they might have like one stage before they become an adult where it’s like, oh.
(51m 21s)
They look like they might be getting wings.
(51m 23s) Kevin:
Oh, oh, oh, oh.
(51m 25s) Codey:
So, yeah, it, um, I guess, uh, the other thing about this group about orthopterans, uh, is they use songs to attract mates, um, and they do different courting behaviour.
(51m 37s)
So we hear, you can often hear in the summer, uh, Katydids and grasshoppers and crickets.
(51m 42s)
Um, chirping, attracting mates, things like that.
(51m 45s)
Really cool.
(51m 48s) Kevin:
I, uh, these, uh, probably one of the closest ones to my heart.
(51m 53s)
Um.
(51m 53s) Codey:
Oh, okay.
(51m 54s) Kevin:
Uh, yeah, to be because I, um, like, obviously as a kid, I can’t tell you what specifically I was looking at.
(52m 1s)
But back in California.
(52m 2s)
Well, when I was young kid, I would play with bugs.
(52m 4s) Codey:
Mm-hmm.
(52m 5s) Kevin:
Um, grasshoppers were pretty common and there were
(52m 7s)
uh,
(52m 10s)
mess around with them or whatever.
(52m 11s)
Uh, uh, ladybugs were pretty common out there too.
(52m 15s)
Um, but yeah, uh, out here in Georgia, plenty of those too.
(52m 18s)
Um, so pretty much my whole life.
(52m 20s)
I know the the summer sound of.
(52m 22s) Codey:
Mm-hmm.
(52m 24s) Kevin:
Um, uh, I’m, and one of the memorable moments, um, one of the stupid kids stories, uh, on a dare.
(52m 33s) Codey:
Mm-hmm.
(52m 34s) Kevin:
I ate a grasshopper live once.
(52m 37s) Codey:
Oh, I guess that’s another thing I could have talked about is uh, what, what is called entomophagi or eating insects.
(52m 44s)
Um,
(52m 45s) Kevin:
Yeah.
(52m 45s) Codey:
So you, eating insects as nutrition, um, for nutritional purposes is highly common, pretty much everywhere except for the United States and Europe.
(52m 57s) Kevin:
Yeah.
(52m 57s) Codey:
Every other culture.
(52m 58s) Kevin:
Yeah, down in Mexico.
(52m 59s)
We got the chocolate covered crickets down there.
(53m 2s) Codey:
Yeah, like it is, because they are an effective source of protein.
(53m 2s) Kevin:
Good.
(53m 6s) Codey:
And like a lot of these things will are reproduced so quickly and creates so many generations in a given amount of time that they can you can reliably grow enough, uh, yeah, sustainable.
(53m 7s) Kevin:
Yep.
(53m 16s)
Sustainable.
(53m 18s) Codey:
Um, they use a lot less water than a cow to.
(53m 23s)
Um, and so people still get yucked out about it, but there are some, um, some people are starting to like, uh, feed it in where it’s like, oh, here’s cricket powder.
(53m 23s) Kevin:
Yep.
(53m 34s) Codey:
So this is powder, like here, yeah, cricket chips or like here is a flower that is made from crickets or, you know, something like that.
(53m 34s) Kevin:
Yep, here’s your cricket chips.
(53m 41s)
Hmm.
(53m 42s) Codey:
Like,
(53m 42s) Kevin:
They’re crunchy.
(53m 43s) Codey:
They’re.
(53m 44s)
Um, and a couple of times at a couple of events, we’ve like a couple of uh, insect conferences and whatever, like people will bring like, oh, I made this guacamole that has ants in it, like, do you want to try it?
(53m 57s)
And like, it really doesn’t change the flavour.
(54m)
It just adds protein.
(54m 2s)
So it’s it’s one of those things, um, and and insects are a part of, um, uh, insects or as a protein have been used for like pet food a lot of the time.
(54m 3s) Kevin:
Yeah.
(54m 15s)
Yeah.
(54m 15s) Codey:
Like some dog foods might include insect proteins or something.
(54m 18s)
Um, but it’s something people shouldn’t be as yucked out about because it’s actually pretty abundant and I know you’d have to eat like a lot for it to be, but something’s pretty abundant.
(54m 29s)
Pretty cool.
(54m 30s) Kevin:
Yeah, yeah.
(54m 30s) Codey:
Give it a try if you can.
(54m 32s) Kevin:
Yeah, I, I did it live, so, um, you don’t have to go that far.
(54m 32s) Codey:
Um,
(54m 36s)
So so, Live and Raw was a choice, but…
(54m 41s) Kevin:
Yeah.
(54m 43s)
Um, yeah, um, it, believe it or not, it didn’t taste that bad, but I’m, uh.
(54m 43s) Codey:
Yeah.
(54m 49s)
Yeah.
(54m 49s)
I mean, they don’t, you, you, people assume that they’re going to be, like, you’re going to be gagging and like throwing up and they’re not.
(54m 54s) Kevin:
Yeah.
(54m 54s) Codey:
It’s not that bad.
(54m 55s) Kevin:
It’s, it’s, it’s, it’s mostly texture, but it’s a little bit like what.
(54m 55s) Codey:
It’s really not that bad.
(55m) Kevin:
Um, here I am, my gourmet review.
(55m 1s) Codey:
Yeah.
(55m 5s) Kevin:
Um, uh, Oh yeah, no, I mean, I think that’s cool and, you know, sustainability.
(55m 11s) Codey:
Yeah.
(55m 13s) Kevin:
for eating the crickets.
(55m 15s)
But, um, yeah, uh, one more thing before we move on from grasshoppers.
(55m 21s) Codey:
Yeah.
(55m 22s) Kevin:
I forgot 11 other reason that uh, the uh, so close to my heart.
(55m 26s)
Uh, okay, this is a stretch.
(55m 28s)
tangent, huh?
(55m 30s) Codey:
Okay, okay.
(55m 31s) Kevin:
There is, or once, I guess he passed away, sadly, not too long ago.
(55m 36s)
Um, there was a comedian.
(55m 37s)
His name is Jess Speedy.
(55m 39s)
He was from Mexico.
(55m 41s)
He is a Hispanic Latino icon of pop culture.
(55m 45s) Codey:
Okay.
(55m 45s) Kevin:
Um, he did all sorts of sitcoms and comedy shows and and just, uh, like, I’m trying to think of an equivalent, like, like the level of Robin Williams as comedic like fame.
(55m 55s) Codey:
Oh, wow, that is, that’s high praise.
(55m 58s) Kevin:
But like also having a show as popular as like, I love Lucy or the Flintstones, like, yeah, the man was up there.
(56m 5s) Codey:
Hang.
(56m 7s) Kevin:
he like he
(56m 7s)
Yeah, he is a top tier icon of Hispanic culture and comedy.
(56m 12s) Codey:
Okay.
(56m 13s) Kevin:
Anyways, um, I bring it up because one of his, uh, his shows, his characters, personas was called a chapel in Colorado.
(56m 21s)
Uh, for people who don’t know Spanish, chapeline means uh, grasshopper, and uh, Colorado just means red.
(56m 22s) Codey:
Mm.
(56m 28s) Kevin:
Um, so, uh, I’m sending you a picture in Slack, uh, probably should do it in a thread.
(56m 34s)
But, um, uh, he dressed, uh, he just had this very comical over the top, uh, outfit, of a, of a, of a kind of bug man, no mask.
(56m 41s) Codey:
Oh my gosh.
(56m 47s) Kevin:
Uh, and he, and he wielded uh, a, a little plastic mount as his weapon. Um, and he was a super, uh, quote unquote superhero, but, uh, well, I’m going to get too deep into it, but yeah, it was just, it was comedy, just pure comedy.
(56m 47s) Codey:
Yeah, this is lovely.
(57m 3s)
Yeah.
(57m 3s) Kevin:
Um, and so that character, Trapoline, Colorado, the the red and yellow that is costume and and the, the ham, like they’re all, again, icons of uh, uh, Hispanic culture, like everyone knows what the, the yellow and red hammer.
(57m 16s) Codey:
So great.
(57m 20s) Kevin:
Yeah, so anyways, yeah, another blessing from the bugs from the Ortho Orthoptera.
(57m 26s) Codey:
Mm-hmm.
(57m 26s) Kevin:
There we go, said it, right?
(57m 27s)
Okay.
(57m 28s)
All right, there.
(57m 29s)
Thats it.
(57m 29s)
There’s my love for real top.
(57m 30s) Codey:
Okay.
(57m 31s)
Um, next, we have mantids.
(57m 33s)
So mantis, praying mantis, um, the order is Mantotia.
(57m 38s)
Um, I really don’t have a lot to say about these because they’re cool.
(57m 41s)
Like everyone knows they’re cool.
(57m 43s) Kevin:
Everyone knows they’re cool.
(57m 45s) Codey:
They’re super charismatic.
(57m 46s)
I will say if you haven’t had a chance to hold one, or if you have a chance to hold one.
(57m 50s)
Um, if you’re trying to catch one that’s wild, um, they will, they will like try and escape you a hot minute, like for a bit, but eventually they’ll stop trying to escape and they’ll just kind of like chill.
(58m 2s)
And at that point, like,
(58m 6s)
can just see how intelligent they are because they look at you and they like, they will follow your head, like your eyes, and they, like, you can see.
(58m 9s) Kevin:
Yeah.
(58m 12s)
Yeah.
(58m 14s) Codey:
Um, They’re tracking, like, and they’re really good predators.
(58m 16s) Kevin:
They’re tracking.
(58m 17s)
They’re like, they’re processing.
(58m 19s) Codey:
Um, they got those raptorial forelegs, uh, and some of them have some crazy camouflage, like the orchid mantis.
(58m 19s) Kevin:
Yeah.
(58m 23s)
Yeah.
(58m 25s) Codey:
Um, basically just is, has looks like an orchid.
(58m 29s)
Um, so this is, again, a gay bug because uh, it’s not a straight bug, uh, straight straight wing.
(58m 32s) Kevin:
Yeah.
(58m 34s) Codey:
Um, they have some pretty, um, pretty flamboyant, uh, Um, stuff that they can that they, how the waves they’ve evolved and they can just straight up look like an orchid to, um, lure in predators and ambush predators.
(58m 42s) Kevin:
Yeah.
(58m 51s)
I.
(58m 51s) Codey:
So.
(58m 51s)
An icon.
(58m 52s) Kevin:
They’re so cool.
(58m 54s)
I’ve seen a few around here.
(58m 55s)
I’ve never grabbed them.
(58m 57s)
I’m, I don’t know why, like, I guess as an adult, like, I’m just so much more.
(59m 1s)
uh,
(59m 2s)
Hesitant, not like, I feel like, I don’t want to harden the bug.
(59m 5s) Codey:
Yeah.
(59m 6s) Kevin:
I’m by big, meaty manhands, like I’m, I’m so, yeah, I don’t know.
(59m 11s)
I don’t trust myself.
(59m 12s)
I’ve never tried grabbing it, but man, they’re so cool.
(59m 14s)
I’ll definitely stop and look at them when I see them.
(59m 19s) Codey:
One of my favourite online jokes or whatever is, um, I’m gonna probably butcher this, but it’s like, I just want to kiss every bug, but they are so small and my lips are so strong.
(59m 29s) Kevin:
Exactly.
(59m 31s)
Exactly.
(59m 32s) Codey:
It’s like, they’re all so cool and I love them so much, but like, we have to love them from a distance.
(59m 38s) Kevin:
Exactly.
(59m 38s) Codey:
Or else we’re gonna hurt them.
(59m 40s) Kevin:
Oh, exactly.
(59m 41s) Codey:
Oh.
(59m 42s) Kevin:
But, yeah, no, man.
(59m 44s)
I mean, how many like, no, that’s not true.
(59m 48s)
Many, many bugs have inspired many cool things as you talk about, but like, we got Scyther.
(59m 52s) Codey:
Mm-hmm.
(59m 54s) Kevin:
That’s that’s an awesome Pokemon.
(59m 56s) Codey:
Oh man, Bug Pokemon is like we could do a whole greenhouse on Bug Pokemon.
(1h 2s) Kevin:
Well, when are you going to do the, uh, I, I don’t know, it’s not the tree of life, but the diagram, the maps did all, all the orders and all that.
(1h 9s) Codey:
Oh, yeah.
(1h 11s) Kevin:
When you’re doing that for the Pokemon.
(1h 12s) Codey:
I could do that.
(1h 13s)
So, so yeah, what Kev is referring to is there’s an entomology.
(1h 16s)
Well, so I don’t even have to make one because there’s already an article about it and it’s hilarious because it’s actually, it’s someone that I know.
(1h 19s) Kevin:
Yeah, I’m sure it is.
(1h 22s) Codey:
So they wrote an article in the American Entomologist, which is, uh, like the one of the big journals from the Entomological Society of America.
(1h 30s)
And that is,
(1h 30s) Kevin:
Pokemon Japanese.
(1h 32s) Codey:
And that is more of a, um, American entomologist is more kind of like, it doesn’t go into some really detailed, like, science that kind of talks about, uh, the people and and the side of it.
(1h 44s)
So I have a, that’s another thing that my article about nerd eurgence is going to come into.
(1h 47s)
Um, talk, it can talk about things like, uh, my friend, uh, Dr. Rebecca Schmidt Jeffries wrote this article about how Pokemon is a perfect like gateway into insects.
(1h 59s)
And not only because it Pokemon was made because of insects, like because of collecting, because of entomology and like insect collections.
(1h 1m 3s) Kevin:
Yeah, I was about to say.
(1h 1m 4s)
Let’s not forget.
(1h 1m 7s) Codey:
Um, but also just like how cool it is.
(1h 1m 11s)
And then they basically mapped, they took all of the bug Pokemon and put them into orders, like, oh, you know, Scyther is clearly in order, Mantodia.
(1h 1m 20s)
Um, and they kind of were like, here are the orders that are lesser known, or the ones that are like not represented that could be a really cool Pokemon.
(1h 1m 30s)
So that’s a whole article, that’s a whole episode we could do where we talk about not only what Bug Pokemon exists.
(1h 1m 30s) Kevin:
Yep.
(1h 1m 33s)
Yeah?
(1h 1m 35s) Codey:
I could talk about that article that Dr. Schmidt Jeffries wrote.
(1h 1m 38s)
Um, but also I could talk about possible Pokemon that could cover some of the lesser known orders.
(1h 1m 39s) Kevin:
All right.
(1h 1m 42s) Codey:
I could totally do that.
(1h 1m 44s) Kevin:
Yeah, I mean, but buying it back to the mantises.
(1h 1m 48s)
Let’s not forget Lurantis, which does the play on the orchid, Mantis, and does it backwards, and it’s just, yep, it’s just, oh, my, it’s just a master class in design of things, in part because you’re basing off a master class in, in real world bug design, I guess.
(1h 1m 50s) Codey:
Mm-hmm.
(1h 1m 52s)
Mm-hmm.
(1h 1m 54s)
Lure.
(1h 2m)
Yeah.
(1h 2m 7s) Kevin:
Yeah.
(1h 2m 7s) Codey:
Yeah, you really don’t, they kind of did everything for you there.
(1h 2m 10s)
You don’t have to do much.
(1h 2m 11s) Kevin:
Yeah, you’re standing on the shoulder’s a very tiny giant, but…
(1h 2m 17s) Codey:
Yep.
(1h 2m 19s)
Um, so the next order is man, uh, sorry, is phasmatodia, which are, are the walking sticks.
(1h 2m 24s) Kevin:
Oh, I played that.
(1h 2m 28s) Codey:
Um, I didn’t, I didn’t look at the name for this, but, uh, so the walking stick, stick insects.
(1h 2m 33s)
Uh, also really super cool.
(1h 2m 35s)
Don’t really have any notes on this.
(1h 2m 38s)
They look like stick.
(1h 2m 40s)
That is their whole, they just.
(1h 2m 41s) Kevin:
Yeah, that’s, and…
(1h 2m 44s)
And what a good bit.
(1h 2m 45s)
That’s all you need.
(1h 2m 46s) Codey:
That, that’s all you need.
(1h 2m 48s)
And so these are so, these have such effective camouflage that there was actually, I should find that article, but I’ll just, I’ll just blurb it. There, like, was a, uh, a species of stick insect that was, that’s huge that was just described like 4 years ago because they are so effective at camouflage that people had never seen this thing before or whatever.
(1h 3m 2s) Kevin:
Yeah.
(1h 3m 2s)
Yeah.
(1h 3m 4s)
Yeah, I heard about that.
(1h 3m 9s)
Yeah.
(1h 3m 12s) Codey:
And so super cool.
(1h 3m 14s)
And they can get really big in the tropics.
(1h 3m 16s)
So I, when I went to Costa Rica, um, to learn about flies. There, I, we found one there that was like half the length of my forearm.
(1h 3m 27s)
Like it was just huge.
(1h 3m 28s) Kevin:
Oh, that’s sick.
(1h 3m 29s) Codey:
And it was, it was doing its like kind of like bobbin thing.
(1h 3m 33s)
like they kind of walk really stupid.
(1h 3m 35s)
They’re so cool though.
(1h 3m 36s)
Um,
(1h 3m 37s) Kevin:
That’s.
(1h 3m 38s) Codey:
Just absolutely cool.
(1h 3m 40s)
And then you feel like a freaking badass whenever you find one because you’re like, you literally saw this thing that is a stick.
(1h 3m 43s) Kevin:
Yeah.
(1h 3m 44s)
Yeah.
(1h 3m 45s) Codey:
Um,
(1h 3m 46s) Kevin:
I mean, like, there’s a lot of great camp, in the animal world, but a stick, like that, that’s, that’s up there.
(1h 3m 55s)
Like, no, nobody’s gonna, hey, no animal will ever think about paying attention to a state.
(1h 4m 1s) Codey:
I’m a look like stick.
(1h 4m 3s)
Yeah, they’re really cool.
(1h 4m 6s)
Uh, so the next order.
(1h 4m 9s)
So I put those 2 Mantodia and Phasmatodia, I put them in an order.
(1h 4m 13s)
Uh, like in that, um, like I did those 2 consecutively because the next order is called Mantophasmatodia.
(1h 4m 22s)
So these things are so named because they basically just look like a mix between a mantis and a walking stick.
(1h 4m 31s)
Um, that’s it.
(1h 4m 32s) Kevin:
That’s…
(1h 4m 33s) Codey:
Like, that’s why they’re called that.
(1h 4m 36s)
And their their common name is heel walkers because they, they don’t walk on like their, um, they’re Tarsus, Tarsi, like the, the footpads that they have, like that insects have, they don’t walk on those.
(1h 4m 36s) Kevin:
No.
(1h 4m 51s) Codey:
They walk on like the bottom, the next leg segment up.
(1h 4m 55s)
It’s really weird.
(1h 4m 55s)
They basically, so they’re always like holding their feet up, basically.
(1h 4m 56s) Kevin:
Yeah.
(1h 4m 59s) Codey:
Um,
(1h 5m) Kevin:
Yeah, it looks like they’re walking on backwards feet.
(1h 5m 3s) Codey:
Yeah exactly.
(1h 5m 3s) Kevin:
That’s that’s interesting.
(1h 5m 3s) Codey:
Like they have their they have their shoes on backwards or something.
(1h 5m 4s) Kevin:
Yeah.
(1h 5m 6s) Codey:
Um, yeah, so that’s that.
(1h 5m 9s)
And I don’t really have a lot to say about these.
(1h 5m 10s)
They’re only in Southern Africa.
(1h 5m 12s)
So, but I just had to, had to talk about them.
(1h 5m 14s)
had to blur them roll.
(1h 5m 15s) Kevin:
Green chunky stick.
(1h 5m 17s) Codey:
Okay, guys, we only have 3 more.
(1h 5m 19s)
We’re almost.
(1h 5m 20s)
Um, so the next one, I’m I’m really excited about.
(1h 5m 25s)
So M the Opera.
(1h 5m 26s) Kevin:
No, much.
(1h 5m 26s) Codey:
These are called web spinners.
(1h 5m 29s)
The reason I am excited.
(1h 5m 31s)
Okay, let me talk.
(1h 5m 32s)
Okay, let me let me say more cool more about that.
(1h 5m 34s)
So they have these, um, their front legs have these silk producing organs.
(1h 5m 40s)
So they make like a, what is called a gallery or, but it’s like basically a web of, um, like an underground area that they create like out of silk.
(1h 5m 52s)
Um, so they spin webs out of their front legs, which is nuts.
(1h 5m 57s)
They kind of look just like a long, thin beetle.
(1h 6m 1s)
So the reason I’m so excited about, I’ll get to, I’ll say it now, is that when I went to Arizona to study Beatles, um, I caught one and I thought it was a Beatle.
(1h 6m 15s)
Like I thought I was like, oh, this is a rove beetle, staphylinen, um, because it’s just long and thin and has a really short, um, like you can see the abdominal segments.
(1h 6m 25s)
Well, we’ll talk about that in a later episode, what a rove beetle is.
(1h 6m 26s) Kevin:
Yeah.
(1h 6m 28s) Codey:
But I was like, this basically looks like Rove Beetle.
(1h 6m 30s)
Cool.
(1h 6m 30s)
And then like 2 days later, when we’re in the lab and I’m like mounting a bunch of the stuff I have.
(1h 6m 34s)
I’m like, wait, this is not a rove beetle.
(1h 6m 37s)
This is a web spinner.
(1h 6m 39s)
And like these are not everywhere.
(1h 6m 41s)
Like, these are really difficult to find.
(1h 6m 43s)
I have like multiple people at the at the workshop in Arizona were like, where the hell did you find this?
(1h 6m 50s)
And I was like, I literally just flipped a log?
(1h 6m 53s)
was like, oh, there’s a staff and like grabbed it.
(1h 6m 55s)
Didn’t even, like, and we went back to that area.
(1h 6m 58s)
There was nothing in that area, really.
(1h 7m)
I like flipped the one log that was in that whole area and found it and like we didn’t see any others.
(1h 7m 7s)
Um.
(1h 7m 9s) Kevin:
Yeah, Cody’s out here playing Pokemon for real.
(1h 7m 12s) Codey:
I really am.
(1h 7m 13s)
I really am.
(1h 7m 15s)
Um, so they’re really cool.
(1h 7m 17s)
And so that’s and it’s always cool.
(1h 7m 19s)
So as an entomologist, I am like, you basically are trying to catch them all.
(1h 7m 23s)
So I would like for my, I don’t have a large personal collection.
(1h 7m 27s)
Um, I pretty much only want a personal collection for myself for identification purposes.
(1h 7m 33s)
So if I were to ever find another web spinner, for example, I can be like, well, let me look at the one that I have.
(1h 7m 39s)
Uh, is this like that one, basically.
(1h 7m 42s)
Like, is it really a web spinner?
(1h 7m 44s)
Let me look at the diagnostic characteristics, whatever.
(1h 7m 46s)
So I don’t have a big personal collection.
(1h 7m 48s)
But whenever I can, I want one of every order if I can get it.
(1h 7m 53s)
And so this was a new order for me.
(1h 7m 55s)
I was like, I had never seen one of these in person, and I caught it, and it’s like, now I never have to catch another website.
(1h 8m 2s)
So I basically get to like check that off my box.
(1h 8m 5s)
Um,
(1h 8m 7s) Kevin:
This is literally what L sounds like when he’s talking about shiny hunting or whatever.
(1h 8m 11s) Codey:
This is basically, like, I felt like it was shiny hunting because I was just like, oh, it’s a beetle.
(1h 8m 15s) Kevin:
Yeah.
(1h 8m 16s) Codey:
Oh my god, it’s not happening. Like, oh, um, a little bit about most letters, they also exhibit maternal care, but they do, uh, live in these galleries, like in groups.
(1h 8m 27s)
So they are not completely solitary.
(1h 8m 29s)
They kind of like will make a gallery with some other females and live together.
(1h 8m 34s)
Um, But the mothers will all the females will also pre-chew the food.
(1h 8m 39s)
So they will like get leaves or whatever it is and they will chew it up and regurgitate that for their young.
(1h 8m 44s)
So that is not something that’s super common that we know of in insects.
(1h 8m 48s)
Um, So, like in, uh, sorry, non-social insects.
(1h 8m 52s)
So like, we know that uh, bees do that, for example, um, but they usually prepare that for their for their babies and then the babies just eat it.
(1h 8m 59s)
But this is something that, like, I think the female actively does, which is nuts.
(1h 9m 3s)
So, um, I feel like I feel so silly because I just got so excited about that.
(1h 9m 8s)
And then I’m like, people are going to look at this and be like, yep, it’s a bug.
(1h 9m 11s)
But,
(1h 9m 12s) Kevin:
Yeah, yeah.
(1h 9m 15s) Codey:
Okay, uh, next we have Grillo Platodia.
(1h 9m 19s)
So this is another mishmash of 2 of 2 groups.
(1h 9m 21s)
People, the whoever named this was basically like, well, it looks like a cricket, uh, grilled, um, and a cockroach, blatted, like, so we’re gonna call them grillo, blatted, grillo platonio.
(1h 9m 34s) Kevin:
Okay.
(1h 9m 35s) Codey:
So these are called the ice crawlers, Kevin, the ice crawlers, because these things live only in like either ice and snow or really deep caves that are pretty freaking cold. These things don’t.
(1h 9m 40s) Kevin:
I don’t.
(1h 9m 50s)
I don’t think bugs are supposed to be there, Brody.
(1h 9m 53s) Codey:
Correct.
(1h 9m 55s)
So these are one of the only, like, there is, so there’s these.
(1h 9m 58s)
There’s also snow, what are called snow fleas, which are, um, winter stone flies that you can see on some snow in the eastern United States sometime, sometimes.
(1h 10m 7s)
And then there’s a couple other like things that I’ve seen in snowy areas, but most of the time, if you see an insect in the snow, you’re like, you’re not supposed to be in here, right?
(1h 10m 15s)
Like this is not what they’re, but this, that’s our whole thing.
(1h 10m 19s)
They’re called ice crawlers.
(1h 10m 20s)
They crawl on the ice.
(1h 10m 21s)
I’m trying not to scream.
(1h 10m 22s)
Um, they’re so cool.
(1h 10m 23s)
And so this is another Pokemon Shiny hunting situation where, um, so they’re they’re actually, they can be found near in Oregon.
(1h 10m 34s)
like up in either Mount Hood, which is the, like, big, semi-active volcano, um, that people, it has, it’s where timberline lodges, which is where the shining was, uh, was filmed.
(1h 10m 45s)
Um, and stuff like that.
(1h 10m 47s)
So, uh, we actually went and tried to find some of these last November because the big bug conference was in Portland, Oregon.
(1h 10m 55s)
And so a bunch of us went there and I was like, guys, guys, guys.
(1h 10m 59s)
Well, so there were like 3000 entomologists, but I like got a bunch of my friends together.
(1h 11m 3s)
I was like, I’m gonna rent a car that can go up in the snow and we’re gonna go look for these things.
(1h 11m 10s) Kevin:
This was your, uh…
(1h 11m 10s) Codey:
And I got like 5 people to come with me.
(1h 11m 13s)
And yeah, we just made a day of it where we like went up.
(1h 11m 16s)
I mean, it wasn’t a whole day.
(1h 11m 17s)
It was like a couple hours, like 5 hours or something.
(1h 11m 20s)
Um,
(1h 11m 22s) Kevin:
My, my company, we, we, we went out to a karaoke bar.
(1h 11m 26s) Codey:
No, we didn’t do that.
(1h 11m 27s)
We didn’t do that.
(1h 11m 29s)
We, um, yeah, so we, uh, went up there.
(1h 11m 34s)
We didn’t find any, which is really sad, but I did find some beetle larvae that were just like, like 3 of them that were just on the ice and I sent a photo to my advisor and he was like, what the heck are those doing there?
(1h 11m 44s)
And I’m like, I genuinely don’t know what’s going on here.
(1h 11m 46s)
So he’s like still trying to figure that out.
(1h 11m 49s)
And then I, we did find, I found a crane fly up there.
(1h 11m 53s)
So I found a, um, uh, a certain type of fly species, a supply family up there, and I gave that, like, we then went back to the conference, and I texted my friend who studies crane flies, and I was like, do you want this thing?
(1h 12m 6s)
And she was like, yeah.
(1h 12m 7s)
Um, I think I also caught a beetle, a ground beetle, and I also gave it to my friend who’s a ground beetle.
(1h 12m 13s)
So it’s like so, it’s just so fun because like you go and you find these things and you collect them and then you can be like, here, friend that studies ground beetle, here is this beetle that I found it, like 4000 feet elevation or…
(1h 12m 25s)
It’s like, what is this thing doing here?
(1h 12m 27s)
Um,
(1h 12m 27s) Kevin:
I’m sorry, it just I, I didn’t know what a crane fly was or the name for it.
(1h 12m 31s) Codey:
Oh, yeah, yeah.
(1h 12m 32s)
Yeah.
(1h 12m 33s) Kevin:
Excuse me, the name for it because I see them every single day out here in summer.
(1h 12m 37s) Codey:
Yeah.
(1h 12m 37s)
Yeah.
(1h 12m 38s) Kevin:
And here’s the problem.
(1h 12m 39s)
I come from Savannah, Georgia, where we, those are mosquitoes down there.
(1h 12m 45s)
Uh-huh.
(1h 12m 45s) Codey:
Yeah, so they’re called they’re called mosquito hawks.
(1h 12m 48s)
is what people refer to them as.
(1h 12m 49s) Kevin:
Yeah.
(1h 12m 50s) Codey:
And I think people, like, there’s people always say like, oh, they eat mosquitoes.
(1h 12m 54s)
They do not.
(1h 12m 55s)
Um, but they basically look like giant mosquitoes because they are, they’re very large.
(1h 12m 56s) Kevin:
No.
(1h 12m 59s)
They they are giant mosquitoes, yeah.
(1h 13m 1s) Codey:
They have very, very like long legs.
(1h 13m 5s)
Um, and we joke.
(1h 13m 6s)
We have this really funny joke.
(1h 13m 8s)
I mean, I should find the sticker and put it in the slack.
(1h 13m 10s)
Um, so, uh, crane flies drop their legs, like, you look at them wrong and they just throw a leg on the ground.
(1h 13m 18s)
Like they, it’s just so uncommon.
(1h 13m 20s)
Like to the point where one of my friends in one of my classes, insect diversity classes, got a crane fly and he was so proud.
(1h 13m 26s)
And I was like, but you know that’s not going to keep its legs, right?
(1h 13m 29s)
Like by the end of the year when your collection is going to be like reviewed, it won’t have its legs.
(1h 13m 34s)
Um, and he was like, bet.
(1h 13m 37s)
And so I bet him $20 and then halfway through the semester, I bet him $40.
(1h 13m 43s) Kevin:
Oh.
(1h 13m 43s) Codey:
Um, like I, like I, we upped it because I was like, this is not going to last.
(1h 13m 47s)
Uh, and then at the end of the semester, uh, he, he got his thing great, like as he was submitting it, I was there and he opened the box and it still had all of its legs.
(1h 13m 57s)
So, I paid, I gave him 40 bucks and uh, and we recorded it.
(1h 13m 58s) Kevin:
Oh, okay.
(1h 14m 3s) Codey:
My friend Lewis recorded it, me being like, Charles won the bet.
(1h 14m 9s) Kevin:
Yeah, right?
(1h 14m 9s) Codey:
Um, yeah. Oh, also, uh, we’re not talking about crane flies in this episode, but we just mentioned them, so I’m going to talk about it.
(1h 14m 18s)
Uh, there’s a crane fly, um, that I found in Costa Rica that I found, um, and like mounted and everything.
(1h 14m 26s)
And one of the crane fly experts was like, you did this really well.
(1h 14m 30s)
And I was like, that’s high pro-
(1h 14m 31s)
going to carry that to my grave.
(1h 14m 32s)
But that’s probably a new genus.
(1h 14m 35s)
Like, at a recent, yeah, at a recent conference, the dipterous society, so the group of people that study flies, like their little group, um, were having a meeting and they talked about kind of like what has been found from the bugs that were caught in fly school when we were there.
(1h 14m 36s) Kevin:
Oh, well, that’s that’s crazy.
(1h 14m 53s) Codey:
Um, and he was like, oh, and then there was this. And, um, this really cool crane fly that is probably a whole genus.
(1h 14m 59s)
Um, and it had just never been seen before.
(1h 15m 1s)
And before I mounted it.
(1h 15m 3s)
Uh, the gentleman who was talking, who’s named uh, Dr. Matt Breton, he’s at North Carolina, um, NC State.
(1h 15m 10s)
He took a photo of it.
(1h 15m 12s)
So there’s a photo of it in C2, like live, like it’s still alive in that photo.
(1h 15m 16s)
Um, so we not only have the photo, but we also have the specimen preserved in the Natural History Museum of Costa Rica, um, and they know where it was.
(1h 15m 26s)
It was at this, um, uh, Soltis Centre, which is this, uh, research station for the Texas A&M, um, university.
(1h 15m 34s)
So, They can continue looking for more if they so choose, which I think they’re going back this year.
(1h 15m 41s) Kevin:
Man.
(1h 15m 41s) Codey:
So fingers crossed for them.
(1h 15m 42s) Kevin:
Man.
(1h 15m 44s)
It’s so cool.
(1h 15m 45s)
I don’t think I’ll ever discover a genius.
(1h 15m 48s) Codey:
Uh, I mean, so that’s the thing is, I just like, a lot of these things, like this, the web spinner or that thing, like that crane fly, I just caught it and then just gave it to people that study the thing.
(1h 16m)
I’m like, here you go.
(1h 16m 1s)
Um, and a lot of these groups are so little studied that it’s possible.
(1h 16m 6s)
Like it’s not uncommon or would not be unheard of for it to be new.
(1h 16m 12s)
Um, you just have to to look, basically.
(1h 16m 16s)
But the tropics are also absolutely crazy because they have pretty consistent weather, um, other than being dry season and wet season or whatever, but like the temperature doesn’t get crazy or, you know, whatever.
(1h 16m 27s)
And so it’s pretty consistent.
(1h 16m 29s)
So you can have a, there’s been a lot of speciation and a lot of development and evolution that has happened in those areas.
(1h 16m 35s)
So bugs are super diverse there.
(1h 16m 37s)
Um, yeah.
(1h 16m 38s)
Period.
(1h 16m 40s)
Okay, but we should probably finish.
(1h 16m 41s)
So the last order is Blatodia, which is just the termites and the cockroaches.
(1h 16m 47s)
So these used to be 2 separate things, but it has come, um, like within the last like 10 years.
(1h 16m 52s)
Uh, DNA evidence has shown that termites and cockroaches.
(1h 16m 56s)
Excuse me, are really, really closely related actually.
(1h 17m)
So, They’re now in the same order, Grilliblatodia.
(1h 17m 3s)
And I just wanted to mention here, like of the 4400 species of cockroach, only, excuse me, only like 30 of them are associated with human environments or human habitats, like our homes.
(1h 17m 14s)
And of those, only like 3 of them are pests.
(1h 17m 18s)
So cockroaches get a really bad rap because everyone just assumes like that they’re going to infest your house or whatever.
(1h 17m 24s)
Um, and and be a problem.
(1h 17m 25s) Kevin:
Look.
(1h 17m 27s) Codey:
And then like, I’m not saying that they aren’t a problem.
(1h 17m 28s)
That is it is a very big problem for people that do have a cockroach infestation.
(1h 17m 33s)
But I’m just saying because one is a is a bad apple.
(1h 17m 37s)
One cockroach, one cockroach species bad does not mean that the other 4400 and whatever are bad.
(1h 17m 39s) Kevin:
Yeah.
(1h 17m 46s) Codey:
Um, they’re still incredibly important for their environment.
(1h 17m 50s)
Um, they’re what is known as a detritivor.
(1h 17m 53s)
So they actually, they, plus a lot of these groups are similar.
(1h 17m 56s)
They break down organic material into forms that where like the nutrients, um, can be used and accessed really easily by other organic life, um, whether that be a tree or another, another thing eating the leaf litter or whatever, but they can, those nutrients, uh, you know, when it’s a log, for example, those nutrients that are stuck, they’re almost like stuck in there that needs to be broken down for it to be those nutrients to return and like be reused again.
(1h 18m 25s)
And that’s kind of what, that is what cockroaches and termites do.
(1h 18m 29s)
So people be hating on them, but they’re pretty freaking cool, actually.
(1h 18m 32s) Kevin:
Yeah, I know, I get it, like, I think they’re, well, uh, uh, well, speaking of roaches, like, I mean, term is, is the whole thing, but, um, like, roach is like, uh, I mean, yeah.
(1h 18m 40s) Codey:
Yeah.
(1h 18m 44s) Kevin:
The thing with roaches for me, it’s more of a sign that bad decisions were made by the people in the area as opposed to the bugs, you know?
(1h 18m 52s) Codey:
Yeah, I mean, it can be really hard.
(1h 18m 54s)
They can be really hard to get rid of.
(1h 18m 56s)
And it is, it’s really, it’s really difficult to, like, if someone has an infestation of anything, um, we have to be really careful not to blame the person who is in that situation because, so for example, like I have, you know, my house fairly clean, blah, blah, blah, blah.
(1h 18m 57s) Kevin:
There is.
(1h 19m 3s)
Yeah.
(1h 19m 8s)
Sure.
(1h 19m 12s) Codey:
But, you know, to give it, give ants like one millimetre, and then they’ll take a mile, like give him an inch, they’ll take a mile, you know.
(1h 19m 16s) Kevin:
Yeah, okay.
(1h 19m 17s)
No.
(1h 19m 20s) Codey:
And so, and then, and some of these things are so, so cockroaches, for example, you know, people joke that they would survive a nuclear blast, they probably would because they can like mish themselves into so, so flat and they can still survive.
(1h 19m 23s) Kevin:
Yeah.
(1h 19m 33s)
Yeah.
(1h 19m 35s) Codey:
So sometimes like you could step on a cockroach and it’s, it might still live because it can just, they are so effective at doing a living.
(1h 19m 39s) Kevin:
Yeah.
(1h 19m 43s) Codey:
Um, And so it, you know, it’s they’re hard and then they’re, they get into all these places, so it can be really difficult to eradicate them.
(1h 19m 53s)
Um, So, yeah, it’s hard.
(1h 19m 54s) Kevin:
Yeah.
(1h 19m 54s)
Yeah, you know what?
(1h 19m 56s)
Yeah, I miss speaking, right?
(1h 19m 58s)
I don’t want to blame anyone.
(1h 20m)
Just, I’ve I’ve seen people.
(1h 20m 2s)
how can I put this, like, yeah, no, I’m getting into a personal story.
(1h 20m 5s)
I just dealt with someone who, I was tell, tell, they, there were, the answers were there.
(1h 20m 6s) Codey:
Yeah.
(1h 20m 10s) Kevin:
The steps were given, but they did not take them anyways, but that’s a very specific thing.
(1h 20m 12s) Codey:
So that’s that’s the thing.
(1h 20m 13s)
There is, there is definitely, there are going to be times when it’s like this person did not.
(1h 20m 19s)
uh, did not dissuade, um, did not like have their environment be in such a way that they didn’t like prevent this.
(1h 20m 28s)
Like they, it was very effective.
(1h 20m 28s) Kevin:
An effort was not made.
(1h 20m 30s)
Let’s just say that.
(1h 20m 30s) Codey:
Yeah, like maintaining.
(1h 20m 31s) Kevin:
That’s that’s the thing, the effort, right?
(1h 20m 34s)
Like, yeah.
(1h 20m 34s) Codey:
Like maintaining a clean environment is really important as a preventative measure from this type of infestation, but it is not going to 100% guarantee that you are not going to see a cockroach in your house.
(1h 20m 45s) Kevin:
Yeah, no, no, I, I, of course, yeah, no, I, it happens.
(1h 20m 46s) Codey:
Um,
(1h 20m 47s)
Especially, yeah.
(1h 20m 48s) Kevin:
Like, again, down here, Jordan, it happens.
(1h 20m 50s) Codey:
Especially if you live in like an apartment complex because you might be doing everything, right?
(1h 20m 56s)
But what if the person, the people in the, in like next to you, or they could be somewhere in the duct work or something like that, and then it’s on the like landowners to be trying to eradicate those.
(1h 20m 57s) Kevin:
No?
(1h 21m 6s)
Mm-hmm.
(1h 21m 7s) Codey:
And if they don’t take the proper steps, then you’re going to be stuck with things.
(1h 21m 12s)
And they can, um, that they can transmit disease, they can be a nuisance.
(1h 21m 17s)
Like it’s clearly not the best for them.
(1h 21m 19s)
Though I will say, if you ever do keep cockroaches, because people keep them either as pets or as food sources for their reptiles and stuff like that, uh, their fras, also known as poop, is a really good fertiliser.
(1h 21m 27s) Kevin:
Yeah.
(1h 21m 33s) Codey:
So, and also, so people also do what’s called blato composting.
(1h 21m 34s) Kevin:
Hmm.
(1h 21m 34s)
I mean, sure.
(1h 21m 37s) Codey:
People do it with worms as well, vermicomposting, where they will have either cockroaches or worms, like a compost heap or a compost bin that they just have cockroaches in.
(1h 21m 50s)
And then so you basically like you eat an apple and then you put the core in there. And then they will eat it and break it down and then you can take their poop and use that as a fertiliser.
(1h 21m 56s) Kevin:
Yeah.
(1h 22m)
Yeah.
(1h 22m) Codey:
So it is, it can be it can be effective.
(1h 22m 2s) Kevin:
Sustainable.
(1h 22m 3s) Codey:
Um, But definitely, like, it’s hard.
(1h 22m 5s) Kevin:
That’s good stuff, yeah.
(1h 22m 6s)
Um.
(1h 22m 7s) Codey:
It’s hard to do that in like a small way because if you, we, especially in the United States, we generate a lot more food waste than could be eaten by a colony of roaches pretty quickly.
(1h 22m 20s)
Like that Applecore is going to take like 2 weeks.
(1h 22m 23s)
So if you ate like so many apples for a long time.
(1h 22m 27s)
Suddenly you’re just going to have a bin full of Apple cores and maybe some cockroaches in there too.
(1h 22m 32s)
Um, but it’s cool.
(1h 22m 35s)
We could, we could, uh, we could use them for for good instead of hating on them.
(1h 22m 43s) Kevin:
Also, shout outs to Wally, cockroach.
(1h 22m 45s) Codey:
Yes, shout out to Wally with his with his cockroach buddy.
(1h 22m 49s)
See, again, he, uh, drove over his cockroach, cockroach just planked, planked back and was like, I’m back.
(1h 22m 54s) Kevin:
Yep.
(1h 22m 54s) Codey:
Um, because yeah, they they really don’t care.
(1h 22m 58s)
They’re just really effective at surviving.
(1h 23m 1s)
Okay, so we’re going to stop it there.
(1h 23m 3s)
I’m so sorry, y’all.
(1h 23m 3s)
I’m just yapping away, but you guys signed up for this.
(1h 23m 6s) Kevin:
It’s it’s Cody month.
(1h 23m 8s)
You all knew it.
(1h 23m 9s) Codey:
You signed up for this.
(1h 23m 10s)
Um, so next time we’re going to go over,
(1h 23m 12s)
Oh, it’s called Perineoptera.
(1h 23m 14s)
So these are the non-polymeoptera, um, groups, and then we’re going to go onto hollow metabolist.
(1h 23m 19s)
So those, the, uh, the order hollow metabola, which just includes all of the insects that have complete metamorphosis, which is called hollow metabolism.
(1h 23m 28s)
Um, So everything up until this point will have incomplete.
(1h 23m 33s)
They’ll either have, you know, uh, they won’t have the, like, egg larva adult stage.
(1h 23m 39s)
like you think of like a caterpillar.
(1h 23m 40s)
Like that is a pure example of hollow metabolis, where they have an egg, a larva, and then that pupil stage, like a chrysalis, or some type of hardening where they kind of become a goo and then somehow become not goo.
(1h 23m 55s) Kevin:
That, you know, that’s impressive.
(1h 23m 55s) Codey:
We still don’t understand what’s happening inside of pupil stage, like people casings.
(1h 23m 56s) Kevin:
I’ll give them that
(1h 24m 2s) Codey:
There’s just a lot going on in there.
(1h 24m 4s)
And, and people have found that like someone proved there was like a kid in, uh, this was like a newer news story, where there was a kid, I want to say at least high school, but possibly younger, who, uh, proved that that butterflies remember things from their caterpillars like life.
(1h 24m 4s) Kevin:
It’s, yeah.
(1h 24m 26s)
That’s, that’s insane for Gildred.
(1h 24m 28s) Codey:
So he basically like provided them with food resources, either blue or orange or something.
(1h 24m 34s)
So like a blue one is like a sugar rich, like really good resource.
(1h 24m 37s)
And the orange one was like an awful resource.
(1h 24m 39s)
And so they basically, he basically trained like a bunch of caterpillars with this stuff.
(1h 24m 43s)
And then when it became, when they closed and it moulted and became a butterfly, he then provided them with the, with just like blue and orange again or whatever.
(1h 24m 51s)
And the butterflies went to the blue.
(1h 24m 53s)
Like, they just immediately were like blue.
(1h 24m 55s)
So,
(1h 24m 55s) Kevin:
I’m sorry, that that that’s insane.
(1h 24m 58s)
That’s an insane concept, in fact, to begin with, but the fact that a kid discovered…
(1h 25m) Codey:
Yeah.
(1h 25m 3s)
Mhm. There’s a lot.
(1h 25m 5s) Kevin:
There’s many things going on there.
(1h 25m 7s) Codey:
Yep.
(1h 25m 7s) Kevin:
I, science.
(1h 25m 8s) Codey:
There’s a.
(1h 25m 10s)
There’s a lot of, there’s actually a really good amount of articles or news stories or um, examples of kids do, kids having some really great, um, discoveries because it’s just so, again, it’s like such a,
(1h 25m 24s) Kevin:
They’re smaller.
(1h 25m 25s)
They can see the bugs closer.
(1h 25m 26s) Codey:
Well, they also, if you if you haven’t taught them fear yet, like to fear insects.
(1h 25m 33s)
We all have, we all are initially like very curious.
(1h 25m 37s)
We’re only taught to fear something when your parents like, no, no, get away from that.
(1h 25m 40s)
Or like, no, that’s gross.
(1h 25m 42s)
It’s a bug.
(1h 25m 42s)
Like, so until you have that experience, you still have that curiosity.
(1h 25m 47s)
You still have that wonder.
(1h 25m 48s)
And if that is not quashed, then you become an entomologist talking on a podcast, it’s about.
(1h 25m 54s)
But you could also, um, like, if you continue to look and ask questions and try and understand things. And, like, it’s, there’s just so much that could be done to still study, uh, in the study of insects, insect cognition, insect diversity, um, ways we can use them for our environment, ways that they are effective for our environment.
(1h 26m 14s)
There’s so much.
(1h 26m 15s)
Um, and we need more funding for it.
(1h 26m 18s)
Period.
(1h 26m 19s)
End of story.
(1h 26m 20s)
So, Really cool.
(1h 26m 21s) Kevin:
Well, you know how we could get more funding?
(1h 26m 25s) Codey:
What, people donating to Patreon?
(1h 26m 28s)
don’t know what the.
(1h 26m 29s) Kevin:
No, I was gonna say, we could open up a shop, you see.
(1h 26m 32s) Codey:
Oh.
(1h 26m 32s) Kevin:
sell the bugs.
(1h 26m 32s) Codey:
Oh my gosh, you’re so right.
(1h 26m 33s) Kevin:
To budgies.
(1h 26m 35s) Codey:
You’re so right.
Budgie’s Bug Shop
(1h 26m 36s) Codey:
Okay, so we’re going to go into our main topic.
(1h 26m 38s)
Thank you guys for bearing with us.
(1h 26m 39s)
Okay, I’m going to keep apologising and everyone, like certain people who are listening are probably like, oh, she’s done talking about bugs.
(1h 26m 47s) Kevin:
Oh, Body and Bugs versus Kevin and Pocopia.
(1h 26m 51s) Codey:
Name a better duo.
(1h 26m 53s)
Um.
(1h 26m 55s)
So yeah, Budgie’s Bug Shop.
(1h 26m 56s)
So this is a this is a game that is out on Steam, and I am blessed that it is also on Mac.
(1h 27m 1s)
It’s not just PC.
(1h 27m 2s)
It’s also Mac.
(1h 27m 3s)
So I was able to play this on my laptop.
(1h 27m 5s)
Very happy.
(1h 27m 6s)
So, um, the blurb of the game is a short incremental game about catching bugs and running a shop filled with parakeets.
(1h 27m 14s)
Upgrade equipment, purchase game breaking abilities, and maximise the profits of your budgie powered empire.
(1h 27m 21s)
Um, I guess like before we start getting into gameplay and other features, did you, what are your thoughts about this game?
(1h 27m 28s) Kevin:
Uh, okay, so 1st of all, the game’s like what, 5 bucks USD?
(1h 27m 31s) Codey:
Yeah.
(1h 27m 31s) Kevin:
So for reference, right?
(1h 27m 33s)
This is the level game we’re talking about, not as bad because it’s good.
(1h 27m 37s)
giving this thumbs up.
(1h 27m 38s) Codey:
Yeah.
(1h 27m 38s) Kevin:
Um, but just just setting the expectations.
(1h 27m 41s)
Um, I 100% of it in like an afternoon because you can.
(1h 27m 45s)
Um, well, okay, how should I put, okay.
(1h 27m 48s)
Uh, it’s a.
(1h 27m 49s) Codey:
Did you actually, did you 100% it or did you just get hit credits?
(1h 27m 50s) Kevin:
Oh no, I 100, I 100% of everything.
(1h 27m 53s) Codey:
Okay, I was gonna see.
(1h 27m 54s) Kevin:
Yeah, no, I got it all.
(1h 27m 55s) Codey:
If I’ve got all the, I do not have all of these.
(1h 27m 59s)
Wait, do I?
(1h 27m 59s)
Oh, I’m looking at global achievements.
(1h 28m 1s) Kevin:
If you.
(1h 28m 1s) Codey:
I want to look at my achievement.
(1h 28m 3s) Kevin:
If you hit credit, you probably.
(1h 28m 7s) Codey:
Okay.
(1h 28m 8s) Kevin:
Um, uh, but yeah, no, I mean, overall, like it’s, I’m giving it thumbs up.
(1h 28m 12s)
I enjoyed it.
(1h 28m 13s)
I have many specific thoughts, but what are your overall thoughts?
(1h 28m 16s) Codey:
Uh, similar.
(1h 28m 17s)
Um, so like very positive.
(1h 28m 20s)
The reviews are also overwhelmingly positive.
(1h 28m 23s)
96% of the reviews are positive reviews.
(1h 28m 28s)
So, um, it’s just a cute little game.
(1h 28m 31s)
I mean, it also tells you, like, what it is, like out from the front.
(1h 28m 35s)
It’s like, this is a 2 hour experience, basically, but you can replay it if you want, like, very good replayability, I think.
(1h 28m 42s)
Um, it’s basically just number go big.
(1h 28m 44s)
That’s.
(1h 28m 45s) Kevin:
It, it’s, it’s a cookie clicker.
(1h 28m 46s) Codey:
Yeah.
(1h 28m 47s) Kevin:
That’s what it is.
(1h 28m 47s)
It’s a cookie clicker.
(1h 28m 48s) Codey:
Um,
(1h 28m 48s) Kevin:
Uh, but yeah, okay.
(1h 28m 50s)
There there’s 2 parts of the game.
(1h 28m 52s)
There is the bug shop where the birds are selling to other birds, all these bugs you caught.
(1h 28m 58s)
Um, that’s just touches the cookie cooker.
(1h 29m) Codey:
Yeah.
(1h 29m) Kevin:
You sell more, you get money, you buy upgrades, you have more cashiers, more, well, inventory, whatever.
(1h 29m 6s)
It’s a it’s a cookie clip.
(1h 29m 7s)
go big.
(1h 29m 8s) Codey:
Mhm.
(1h 29m 8s) Kevin:
Um, apparently, I’m not a big fan of cookie clickers because I don’t know, I just don’t get the, the, number go big is fine, but just not always for me.
(1h 29m 17s)
Um, Oh, oh, gotta go back.
(1h 29m 18s) Codey:
Oh my gosh, I don’t have all I don’t have all the achievements.
(1h 29m 22s)
What the heck?
(1h 29m 22s) Kevin:
Um, I wonder which one you’re missing.
(1h 29m 24s)
I’m curious.
(1h 29m 24s)
Um.
(1h 29m 25s) Codey:
Okay, I know what it is.
(1h 29m 27s) Kevin:
Um, so, uh, so, you know, that’s that’s fine, right?
(1h 29m 31s)
Um, The other part, and this is why,
(1h 29m 34s)
the game works for me, um, because there is a 2nd portion of the bug patching that is, um, that is active gameplay, which is what I want for my games.
(1h 29m 39s) Codey:
Mm-hmm.
(1h 29m 44s) Kevin:
Um, and uh, yeah, let’s uh, okay.
(1h 29m 49s)
Oh, it’s been a minute since I played, but if I recall correctly, yeah.
(1h 29m 53s)
And the next goal, uh, when you start the game, you, you have just the basic little insect area where there’s like ladybugs and grasshoppers and you basically draw a square and that drops a net onto this, onto this little field where these bugs are walking and hopping around.
(1h 30m 1s) Codey:
Mm-hmm.
(1h 30m 9s) Kevin:
Um, and you catch the bugs that are inside the net.
(1h 30m 9s) Codey:
Mm-hmm.
(1h 30m 12s) Kevin:
It’s fairly straightforward.
(1h 30m 14s)
Um, right?
(1h 30m 15s)
Different bugs, have different types of movements as they as they tend to do in the real world.
(1h 30m 20s)
Um, And and so that’s kind of the basis for it.
(1h 30m 27s)
Um, uh, as is the cookie quickerish nature, um, you can upgrade the whole bug catching side of this game.
(1h 30m 35s)
You unlock many different environments with different types of bugs, and you also upgrade your bug patching abilities.
(1h 30m 43s)
Um, You can start uh, spotting other nets.
(1h 30m 48s)
Other nets will spawn from your nets when you drop them and they’ll just shoot out to the sides.
(1h 30m 52s) Codey:
Mm-hmm.
(1h 30m 54s) Kevin:
Um, there, you can unlock different types of bugs that give you bonuses or more time on the clock. Um, because you have to do this bug catching segment in a couple of seconds, basically.
(1h 31m 4s) Codey:
Mhm.
(1h 31m 4s) Kevin:
Um, uh, and so on, um,
(1h 31m 7s) Codey:
Net get net get bigger.
(1h 31m 7s) Kevin:
and so forth, right?
(1h 31m 8s)
Net get bigger or more, or more net, no, no, that number get bigger.
(1h 31m 13s)
Um, and so, like, it’s, okay, in the bug shop in in the shop part, right?
(1h 31m 14s) Codey:
That number get bigger.
(1h 31m 20s) Kevin:
Like it’s literally number get bigger and and there’s more birds going in, but it’s all passive.
(1h 31m 25s)
It’s all basically visual, right?
(1h 31m 27s) Codey:
Mm-hmm.
(1h 31m 27s) Kevin:
You get more upgrades, it looks prettier.
(1h 31m 28s)
You’re doing more transactions.
(1h 31m 31s)
But the gameplay part of it.
(1h 31m 32s) Codey:
Mm-hmm.
(1h 31m 33s) Kevin:
It’s kind of insane with how far the upgrades go because you’re like spawning like 4 nets at once and they’ll each shoot out like 2 nets of their own and and just all sorts of nonsense.
(1h 31m 43s) Codey:
Yeah.
(1h 31m 46s) Kevin:
So, you go from, you know, trying to draw a square to catch every single bug that you can see in in a couple of seconds to just, randomly without thinking or looking, just drawing rectangles and and game happens and bug gets caught like, it’s, it’s wild.
(1h 32m 4s)
Um, uh, yeah.
(1h 32m 5s) Codey:
Yep.
(1h 32m 6s) Kevin:
Um, I, It is.
(1h 32m 8s) Codey:
It’s visually appealing, though.
(1h 32m 9s)
Like it, it, the way that they visualised it, it was very, it tickles the brain in a good way.
(1h 32m 15s) Kevin:
It does.
(1h 32m 16s)
Um, and oddly enough, like, while this is one of, I guess, the strengths, like the upgrade you feel, go up, um, It has, there’s a small little complaint.
(1h 32m 27s)
I, well, not, there’s a complaint I have about it.
(1h 32m 30s) Codey:
Okay.
(1h 32m 30s) Kevin:
In the beginning, when you’re starting, you’re catching these bugs, and of course, there’s your bug next or whatever, and you see all the bugs, and you clearly get a good look at what you’re catching, right?
(1h 32m 39s) Codey:
Mm-hmm.
(1h 32m 39s) Kevin:
Like there’s the lady bugs.
(1h 32m 40s)
There’s the different types of of monarch butterflies or whatever.
(1h 32m 44s) Codey:
Mm-hmm.
(1h 32m 44s) Kevin:
And then, you know, they’re they’re accurate bugs relatively speaking.
(1h 32m 47s)
Um, they look like a bug that’s supposed to be real.
(1h 32m 47s) Codey:
Yeah.
(1h 32m 50s) Kevin:
Towards the end, well, that there’s some that aren’t, but we’ll get to that.
(1h 32m 54s)
But anyways, but towards the end.
(1h 32m 57s)
Here’s the thing.
(1h 32m 58s)
Or at least the way I played it where I would tend to stockpile my money so I can get a good amount of upgrades at once. Um, Towards the end, I was not seeing the bugs I was catching, basically.
(1h 33m 6s) Codey:
Mm-hmm.
(1h 33m 9s) Kevin:
I’m just spawning nets and just, they’re just, it’s just now a list.
(1h 33m 11s) Codey:
Yeah.
(1h 33m 14s) Kevin:
Like, I don’t even know what’s in this level.
(1h 33m 16s)
I’m just dropping stuff and catching 100s of bugs and don’t know what’s going on.
(1h 33m 17s) Codey:
Yeah.
(1h 33m 20s) Kevin:
Um, which is a shame because, like, I think that, again, they clearly put effort to, to, put a wide variety of bug species and whatnot, and, and it’s kind of a shame that, uh, that didn’t go a little further.
(1h 33m 35s)
But, um, but that is a, you know, it’s a tough problem because, yeah, on one hand, they’re, you’re also getting better gameplay stuff.
(1h 33m 44s)
So, you know, I don’t know what maybe the best way, there’s a great way to balance that, but, uh, it is unfortunate where things get so chaotic, you can’t even tell what’s going on.
(1h 33m 44s) Codey:
Hmm.
(1h 33m 54s)
Yeah, I see that.
(1h 33m 55s)
It does it becomes pretty all over the place.
(1h 33m 58s)
Um, it can get pretty intense, but yeah, I can see that.
(1h 34m 4s)
Valid criticism.
(1h 34m 5s) Kevin:
Yeah.
(1h 34m 6s)
Um, I’m trying to think here.
(1h 34m 9s)
Um, because yeah, yeah, it’s very straightforward or simplest gameplay.
(1h 34m 13s)
Um, yeah, I, I, do you have any thoughts on all this, Cody?
(1h 34m 16s) Codey:
I mean, that’s pretty much it.
(1h 34m 17s)
So the gameplay is just click.
(1h 34m 19s)
Click and drag to make a square, and you catch anything that’s in that square.
(1h 34m 24s)
Um, some things can be difficult to catch when you 1st start out and you have like a, your net is small and whatever.
(1h 34m 30s) Kevin:
Yeah.
(1h 34m 32s) Codey:
Um, And then, yeah, your shop can expand.
(1h 34m 36s)
Uh, you sell the bugs there, each one has a cost.
(1h 34m 39s)
I don’t even, the cost didn’t really even do anything because also, I think when you catch more of them, you get, like, they become more.
(1h 34m 46s) Kevin:
Yeah, well, there’s, I think that’s one of the, uh, some of the upgrades.
(1h 34m 51s)
Oh, you know what?
(1h 34m 51s)
I forgot.
(1h 34m 52s)
There’s 2 kinds of upgrades.
(1h 34m 53s)
I should talk about that.
(1h 34m 54s) Codey:
Yeah.
(1h 34m 54s) Kevin:
Um, Because, uh, there’s your standard, get, save up money, unlock, you know, another register, unlock maybe another area.
(1h 35m 2s)
There is a skill tree system.
(1h 35m 5s)
Um, well, I say it’s not a tree.
(1h 35m 7s)
It’s like a panel.
(1h 35m 8s)
Um, and the currency is not money for those unlocks.
(1h 35m 12s)
The currency for that.
(1h 35m 13s)
is what they call cosmic Beatles.
(1h 35m 15s)
Um, this little magic or scarabs, cosmic scarabs.
(1h 35m 19s) Codey:
Yeah.
(1h 35m 19s) Kevin:
That what it was.
(1h 35m 20s)
Yeah.
(1h 35m 20s)
Um, and just this rainbow flying, uh, scarab beetle, uh, clearly from the, the, the gay wing bugs.
(1h 35m 27s)
Um, uh, just, uh, you, you, uh, and and when you catch them.
(1h 35m 32s)
Um, and their pattern is straightforward, but a little, they’re fast, right?
(1h 35m 37s)
They just go on a straight line and bounce off surfaces.
(1h 35m 38s) Codey:
Mm-hmm.
(1h 35m 40s) Kevin:
Um, but they’re fetched.
(1h 35m 41s)
But those Beatles, the more you catch them, the more upgrade you get off your little skill square panel thing.
(1h 35m 48s) Codey:
Yeah.
(1h 35m 48s) Kevin:
Um, and that’s a lot of the powerful gameplay upgrades, you know, getting more nets, getting bonus types of bugs.
(1h 35m 55s)
Um, all that stuff.
(1h 35m 57s)
So, um, that’s when you can really start snowballing when you start catching more of these Beatles.
(1h 36m 2s)
Um, yeah, uh, and which is nice because again, it’s not just the, you know, the transactions and the massive income going up.
(1h 36m 3s) Codey:
Yeah.
(1h 36m 9s) Kevin:
It’s, you know, like again, that rewards your gameplay because when you start, you have to, you know, figure out the, get the timing right to catch these Beatles, you can get upgrades.
(1h 36m 19s)
So I appreciate that a little game.
(1h 36m 23s)
Number go up.
(1h 36m 24s)
Um, yeah, um, I, I, they have some fun effects that end up not making too much of a difference because of how crazy the upbridge go.
(1h 36m 34s)
Well, like some bugs will burrow under, you know, underground or see cover under leaves and stuff like that.
(1h 36m 38s) Codey:
Yeah.
(1h 36m 40s) Kevin:
Um, but you get upgrades that specifically kind of combat that like it’ll shake the ground and make the bugs pop out.
(1h 36m 47s)
Um, or shake them out of the bush or whatever.
(1h 36m 50s)
Um, so, you know, I, I think they, they made an effort to put a lot of variety and effort in that, but they, they, they kind of outdid themselves in in their arms race, um, and, and the upgrades kind of won.
(1h 37m 3s)
Um, yeah, but, um,
(1h 37m 6s) Codey:
Yeah, I mean, that’s pretty, it’s pretty straightforward.
(1h 37m 8s)
Like it’s, it’s, they have a bunch of different species, so it is cool.
(1h 37m 12s)
A lot of the species are like real species, which is cool.
(1h 37m 16s)
Um, and you can unlock these different, the locations really like, it’s just a different screen.
(1h 37m 23s)
Like, and and again, like you’re saying, like, you can, they burrow.
(1h 37m 25s)
There’s an aquatic ground where they might go under the lily pads and then you can’t get to them.
(1h 37m 29s)
Um, but and then, and then I guess each location has different bugs.
(1h 37m 34s)
So, uh, if you want to try and catch them all, which that is actually, I guess, one of the, um, achievements I’m missing, is I have not discovered every bug.
(1h 37m 40s) Kevin:
Achievements.
(1h 37m 41s)
Mm, oh, you missed one.
(1h 37m 42s) Codey:
Um, and then the other one.
(1h 37m 43s) Kevin:
Interesting.
(1h 37m 45s) Codey:
So another thing that you can do in the shop portion.
(1h 37m 49s)
Well, I guess it’s not in the shop portion, but like, you can buy what is called an intern.
(1h 37m 56s) Kevin:
The intern.
(1h 37m 56s) Codey:
It’s probably, we should probably say higher.
(1h 37m 58s)
Uh, you hire interns.
(1h 38m)
Um, and they basically, so like, if you hire an intern and you put them in the one of the meadows, for example, then when the next time you go to the meadow, that intern will be like running around trying to catch bugs.
(1h 38m 12s)
Um, And they kind of help you, but they are awful.
(1h 38m 13s) Kevin:
Yeah.
(1h 38m 17s) Codey:
They’re inept.
(1h 38m 17s)
They’re really not good.
(1h 38m 20s) Kevin:
Again, the problem is they’re so expensive because at that point, we already have a bunch of other upgrades that are way more effective than the interns.
(1h 38m 28s) Codey:
Yeah.
(1h 38m 28s) Kevin:
Um, so, you know, if you got one at the start, I could see it helping maybe, but, uh, yeah, no, they’re just, they’re just, they’re just a money hole to clear one of these payments.
(1h 38m 38s) Codey:
Yeah.
(1h 38m 38s) Kevin:
Um, it’s fun.
(1h 38m 39s) Codey:
So, you know.
(1h 38m 40s) Kevin:
It’s a shame because, um, they’re funny looking too.
(1h 38m 44s)
You know, they’ve got little glasses, little parakeets with glasses running off a little net.
(1h 38m 47s) Codey:
They’re little nerds.
(1h 38m 49s) Kevin:
Yeah.
(1h 38m 50s)
Yeah.
(1h 38m 51s)
The game visually is very, very charming.
(1h 38m 53s)
Um, like you, you, you just look at one screenshot and you get what they’re going for, just cute cartoony stuff.
(1h 38m 54s) Codey:
Yes.
(1h 38m 59s)
Yeah.
(1h 38m 59s) Kevin:
Um, uh,
(1h 38m 59s) Codey:
But that’s the other achievement I’m missing is there’s, uh, an achievement called didn’t lift a finger and it’s let your interns do all of the work in a single round.
(1h 39m 7s) Kevin:
Yeah.
(1h 39m 8s) Codey:
So I did not get that yet, so I will do that.
(1h 39m 14s) Kevin:
Um, I I will say, uh, okay, I guess one more thing I can think of.
(1h 39m 19s)
Um, towards the end, you start reaching these stages that, uh, just clearly all over the place, like you’re going out in in clouds and space and nonsense and you start catching fictitious bugs like unicorn sticks, unless I, I, there are unicorn stags.
(1h 39m 19s) Codey:
Mm-hmm.
(1h 39m 32s)
Yeah.
(1h 39m 34s) Kevin:
I dont know of, but um…
(1h 39m 35s) Codey:
I really would not be surprised if there was something called a unicorn stag.
(1h 39m 38s) Kevin:
Probably, but as far, well, at least it’s probably not, you know, rainbow unicorn coloured like in this game, if it is out there.
(1h 39m 47s)
Maybe there is.
(1h 39m 48s)
I could be.
(1h 39m 48s)
I be dead wrong in 20 years anyways.
(1h 39m 50s)
Uh, they’ll find it.
(1h 39m 52s)
But anyways, yeah, they start putting like little magical, fun creatures, bugs.
(1h 39m 52s) Codey:
Mm-hmm.
(1h 39m 58s) Kevin:
But again, this is towards the end.
(1h 39m 59s)
So this is the point where I’m not even seeing these bugs because I’m just click and all bug, all bugs get caught right away. Like, um, but, uh, it’s fun they did that.
(1h 40m 10s)
Um, and the last, yeah, huh.
(1h 40m 11s) Codey:
Uh oh, sorry, go for it.
(1h 40m 13s) Kevin:
No, no, go ahead.
(1h 40m 13s) Codey:
I was going to say the update.
(1h 40m 16s)
B, b, b, b, b, b.
(1h 40m 17s)
Um, there is a, uh, a scarab beetle called the Adelaide Unicorn Beetle.
(1h 40m 23s)
Um, so there are stag beetles that have a unicorn in their common name.
(1h 40m 28s)
So.
(1h 40m 29s) Kevin:
Well, there you go.
(1h 40m 30s)
Um, uh, okay, the, okay, I’m not gonna, uh, stranger, it sounds, there’s one thing I would consider a quote unquote spoiler, and I just, and obviously there’s no story or anything here, but it’s a thing, I think, if you play this game, and I do recommend, it’s a fun way to kill, you know, in an afternoon, 5 bucks.
(1h 40m 49s) Codey:
Yeah.
(1h 40m 49s) Kevin:
Um, uh, the actually reaching the credits is a very fun experience.
(1h 40m 56s)
Um, I will not go into it.
(1h 40m 56s) Codey:
Yes.
(1h 40m 58s) Kevin:
It’s it’s one of the most fun, clever things they did in the game.
(1h 41m 2s)
Um, but and and fair enough, it’s one of the final upgrades or things you’ll unlock.
(1h 41m 7s)
Um, But just I, you know, I baited the hook.
(1h 41m 11s)
Go check it out to see what they do for the credits, but, um, It’s a very fun play.
(1h 41m 14s) Codey:
Mm-hmm.
(1h 41m 16s) Kevin:
Um, yeah, no, that’s that’s it.
(1h 41m 19s)
That all I got.
(1h 41m 20s) Codey:
Yep, I concur.
(1h 41m 22s)
Uh, is is fun game.
(1h 41m 24s)
I am trying to see if there’s anything else that I wrote down here or that was it part of the thing?
(1h 41m 28s)
Nope.
(1h 41m 29s)
Oh, I guess they also say relaxing soundtrack with nostalgic mid 2000s aesthetics.
(1h 41m 33s)
Um, I can’t remember if I played with music on.
(1h 41m 35s) Kevin:
Oh.
(1h 41m 38s) Codey:
I often play my games without music, so.
(1h 41m 42s)
Um, but I would not doubt it because it is very charming.
(1h 41m 46s)
Okay, so that was the episode.
Outro
(1h 41m 49s) Codey:
Thank you guys for hanging out, uh, and talking listening to us talk about mostly just about bug diversity and then throwing a bug game at the end of it.
(1h 41m 59s)
Um,
(1h 42m) Kevin:
There you go.
(1h 42m)
As as is the premise of the month.
(1h 42m 3s) Codey:
Uh, Kev, is there anything um, that you would like to share with the audience?
(1h 42m 9s) Kevin:
Uh, I’m super is, whatever.
(1h 42m 11s)
I’m not that interesting if you find me.
(1h 42m 12s) Codey:
Yes, you are.
(1h 42m 12s) Kevin:
I use this.
(1h 42m 14s)
My online presence isn’t that interesting.
(1h 42m 17s)
Well, anyways, uh, I, I, that’s all. Cody, you got anything?
(1h 42m 22s) Codey:
Um, no, I’m also pretty much, uh, I can be found on the slack.
(1h 42m 26s)
I’m kind of like not.
(1h 42m 28s)
I’m phasing out a lot of my social media just because, um, I get sucked into it pretty heavily, but also as I start looking for gainful employment.
(1h 42m 38s)
I think it’d probably be better if I don’t have like a bunch of silly like things.
(1h 42m 43s)
Actually, I should probably just make it private, actually, now that I’m thinking about it.
(1h 42m 46s)
Um, But yes, you can find me, um, online just with my name anywhere, I kind of docks myself, uh, or in the Slack.
(1h 42m 55s)
So, um, you can join the Slack by joining the Patreon, patreon.com slash GHS pod.
(1h 43m 1s)
You not only get access to the Slack, but you also get access to the greenhouse episodes, which is kind of us talking about non-cottage horror things.
(1h 43m 9s)
Um, so that would be where we should talk about Bug Pokemon.
(1h 43m 14s)
Or, um, we’ve, I talked to Spencer about, um, God’s, um, bug, what did you call, bug kaiju, bug kaiju.
(1h 43m 23s) Kevin:
Mathra.
(1h 43m 25s) Codey:
So big, like Godzilla style bugs that are, or yeah, Godzilla style bugs.
(1h 43m 30s)
Um, talked about that.
(1h 43m 31s)
Like, we also talk about other silly things.
(1h 43m 35s)
For a few years, we talked about Eurovision, but we boycotted it this year.
(1h 43m 40s)
Um, so you can find that all of that.
(1h 43m 45s)
through the greenhouse through by going through the Patreon.
(1h 43m 48s)
You can also find the podcast on Tumblr and Blue Sky at THS Pod.
(1h 43m 52s)
And you can go to our website, harvestseason.club, to provide us with feedbacks, get links to the show notes, so you can see some of these images and articles that I posted, and get transcripts and things like that.
(1h 44m 3s)
Um, yeah.
(1h 44m 6s)
Kevin.
(1h 44m 9s) Kevin:
for having me on.
(1h 44m 10s)
Uh, we got to do the greenhouse where I show Cody, Digimon, Bug, Digimon, don’t you rank them?
(1h 44m 14s) Codey:
Yes, I think that would also, like a tier list of bug Digimon.
(1h 44m 19s)
I would do that.
(1h 44m 19s)
I would do that so hard.
(1h 44m 20s) Kevin:
Yeah.
(1h 44m 22s) Codey:
Thatd be fun.
(1h 44m 22s)
Because I’m like really not into Digimon.
(1h 44m 22s) Kevin:
Oh.
(1h 44m 26s) Codey:
Like I have not.
(1h 44m 27s) Kevin:
No, that’s fine.
(1h 44m 27s) Codey:
Like, which is great.
(1h 44m 28s) Kevin:
Most people aren’t.
(1h 44m 29s)
That’s a normal human response.
(1h 44m 29s) Codey:
Like, well, so I guess I’m not saying, I’m not
(1h 44m 32s)
not saying like I’m not into it.
(1h 44m 33s)
Like, it sucks.
(1h 44m 34s)
Like I’m saying like, I think, yes, correct.
(1h 44m 35s) Kevin:
You’re not familiar.
(1h 44m 37s) Codey:
I’m unfamiliar with it because Pokemon was kind of the love child of my heart at that time.
(1h 44m 38s) Kevin:
Well.
(1h 44m 42s)
Yeah, no, no.
(1h 44m 43s)
Well, here’s the thing.
(1h 44m 44s)
As a Digimon fan, the depths, it’s it’s too much.
(1h 44m 48s)
It’s too deep.
(1h 44m 49s)
They, like, they, unlike Pokemon, unlike Pokemon, the goal was not catch them all.
(1h 44m 50s) Codey:
They delved too deep.
(1h 44m 55s) Kevin:
It was just go more, go bigger.
(1h 44m 58s) Codey:
Uh-huh.
(1h 44m 58s) Kevin:
So the deaths of Digimon design are all over the place.
(1h 45m 3s)
I, I have legitimately no idea how many Digimon designs there out there, but, um, I’m sure they crossed 1000 like, possibly in the 2000s.
(1h 45m 13s)
It’s like it’s insane.
(1h 45m 14s)
Um, but anyways, we’ll do that.
(1h 45m 14s) Codey:
Absolutely nuts.
(1h 45m 16s)
Yeah, that’d be fun.
(1h 45m 16s) Kevin:
Um, that, that’s gonna be fun because you get to, you get to see speaking on design philosophy and that’s, that’s an experience on its own.
(1h 45m 17s) Codey:
That would be fun.
(1h 45m 23s)
Hmm.
(1h 45m 28s) Kevin:
You could, in fact, do a tier, not just bug, did you want? Eddie, did you want your list could, in fact, be done by how hot they are.
(1h 45m 35s)
Um, and and so you…
(1h 45m 36s) Codey:
Oh, oh.
(1h 45m 37s)
Oh, I think you might have lost me.
(1h 45m 40s) Kevin:
No, that’s that’s that’s part of the ploy.
(1h 45m 40s) Codey:
I’m sorry.
(1h 45m 43s) Kevin:
That’s part of the point.
(1h 45m 44s) Codey:
Yeah, I know, I’m not interested.
(1h 45m 47s) Kevin:
Darn it, I was gonna spring it on you.
(1h 45m 49s) Codey:
Um.
(1h 45m 50s)
Dang it.
(1h 45m 52s)
Like, oh, so we we show up, I show up and it’s like, oh, I’m surprised we’re ranking them by how hot they are.
(1h 45m 57s)
We’re not…
(1h 45m 57s) Kevin:
Not by hotness, but you will, I’m just saying, no, we’re not going to rank him by hotness, but I’m just saying, things can get humanoid often very quickly, did you want?
(1h 46m 6s) Codey:
They, this is not a low punny area, okay?
(1h 46m 9s)
Like, this is not, we’re not doing it.
(1h 46m 10s) Kevin:
Yeah.
(1h 46m 12s) Codey:
So funny.
(1h 46m 14s) Kevin:
Okay, we’re good.
(1h 46m 14s) Codey:
Well, thank you.
(1h 46m 15s) Kevin:
All right.
(1h 46m 16s) Codey:
So yeah, thanks listeners for listening and have a good harvest.
(1h 46m 21s) Kevin:
Good harvest.
(1h 46m 25s) Theme Tune:
The harvest season is created by Al McKinley, with support from our patrons, including our pro farmers, Kevin Stewart, and Elisa.
(1h 46m 34s)
Our art is done by Micah the Brave, and our music is done by Nick Burgess.
(1h 46m 39s)
Feel free to visit our website, harvestseason.club for show notes and links to things we discussed in this episode.
(1h 46m 55s) Kevin:
All right, I have got to hop off.
(1h 46m 57s)
So, um,
(1h 46m 57s) Codey:
Yeah. Thank you.
(1h 46m 58s)
Sorry.
(1h 46m 59s)
See, I was like, I gotta go fast.
(1h 47m) Kevin:
Yours, that’s fine.
(1h 47m 1s)
That’s fine, that’s fine.
(1h 47m 1s) Codey:
I gotta go fast.
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