We Are Going With Our Idea

Wed, Mar 8, 2023 Year 2, Spring 10

Bev and Codey talk about how to use research and science in games accurately

Timings

00:00:00: Apology
00:00:53: Theme Tune
00:01:23: Intro
00:04:08: What Have We Been Up To
00:09:11: News
00:29:04: How To Gamify Science And Research Accurately
01:12:37: Outro

Links

Lonesome Village Mobile
Len’s Island Controller Support
Coral Island Dev Update
Ages of Cataria Delaye
Above Snakes Dev Update

Innchanted

Contact

Al on Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheScotBot
Al on Mastodon: https://mastodon.scot/@TheScotBot
Email Us: https://harvestseason.club/contact/

Transcript

[00:00.000 –> 00:03.920] Hello, farmers! This is Cody. Just a quick update about this episode.
[00:03.920 –> 00:07.280] Your girl hecked up and messed up the Zoom recording.
[00:07.280 –> 00:11.520] Uh, so we usually, a little bit of background, we usually do local recording
[00:11.520 –> 00:15.280] and Zoom recording as a backup. My local recording failed so we had to
[00:15.280 –> 00:19.040] use the Zoom recording and I messed up some of the settings so
[00:19.040 –> 00:21.840] we actually only have one Zoom recording instead of like one for me and one for
[00:21.840 –> 00:25.600] Bev, which means that we have to use that one.
[00:25.600 –> 00:28.480] Uh, and which is sad because Bev’s recording,
[00:28.480 –> 00:32.800] local recording, was perfect and beautiful but we can’t use it anymore
[00:32.800 –> 00:35.920] and it is not their fault. It is my fault.
[00:35.920 –> 00:39.600] So, uh, if you notice that the audio quality is not as good
[00:39.600 –> 00:45.680] in this episode, um, my bad. I learned my lesson and I won it again.
[00:45.680 –> 00:49.840] Um, but this does not take away from the fact that Bev and I had
[00:49.840 –> 01:05.760] a super fun time talking about today’s episode and I hope you enjoy it.
[01:19.840 –> 01:27.280] Hello farmers and welcome to another episode of
[01:27.280 –> 01:32.800] the harvest season. My name is Cody and my name is Bev and we’re here today
[01:32.800 –> 01:37.760] to talk about cottagecore games.
[01:37.760 –> 01:49.680] Hello. How are you? I am just tired of my life with these games.
[01:49.680 –> 01:52.880] I want the cottagecore life to just be my life,
[01:52.880 –> 02:00.240] but yeah. Why did February just like fly by though? I don’t understand at all.
[02:00.240 –> 02:06.560] Like, how’s it March? I don’t, I don’t, I don’t know. Yeah, I feel attacked.
[02:06.560 –> 02:15.760] Um, so today our episode is, um, not what Al told us to do.
[02:17.200 –> 02:21.280] Uh, it’s actually not what we originally were going to do. So
[02:21.280 –> 02:25.520] basically, um, there’s a new game coming out that we’ve talked about on the pod
[02:25.520 –> 02:29.520] before called research story and Bev and I have done research before
[02:29.520 –> 02:32.720] and so we were like, we would like to be on that podcast please.
[02:32.720 –> 02:39.520] Um, and so we both got the game and, uh, like a week ago and we just
[02:39.520 –> 02:42.560] haven’t really had, I personally haven’t really had time to
[02:42.560 –> 02:47.120] play with it, uh, as much as I would have liked to, um, on the pod.
[02:47.120 –> 02:50.880] So I was just like, like, I don’t feel like I would do it justice if we tried to
[02:50.880 –> 02:55.680] cover it today. So, uh, we came up with some last minute
[02:55.680 –> 03:05.280] ideas, uh, and we are going with our idea. Not Al’s, not Al’s idea.
[03:05.280 –> 03:11.760] Um, so our idea was to talk, uh, since we are talking about research story,
[03:11.760 –> 03:15.280] which is a game where you research, where you do research, we were thinking
[03:15.280 –> 03:18.000] about talking about our research that we’ve done in our
[03:18.000 –> 03:23.440] lives before and how we could gamify it to be
[03:23.440 –> 03:27.360] a, like, cottage core game. Um, because I think
[03:27.360 –> 03:32.640] it’s a big struggle of mine that anytime I see a game that has, like, research or
[03:32.640 –> 03:36.160] science or whatever, I get grumpy because I’m like, they’re not doing it
[03:36.160 –> 03:39.440] the right way. They’re gonna do it so wrong.
[03:39.440 –> 03:46.400] Yeah, and so, um, so yeah, I wanted to
[03:46.400 –> 03:49.680] do it, tell people how to do it. I don’t know,
[03:49.680 –> 03:55.440] just, like, dream up my, my, my research game. Um, and I think, Bev, you actually
[03:55.440 –> 03:58.720] had mentioned this idea and then I immediately was like, we’re doing it,
[03:58.720 –> 04:03.440] we’re doing it. So, yeah, we’ll talk about that.
[04:03.440 –> 04:06.960] Um, and then we’ll also talk about some news,
[04:06.960 –> 04:10.560] but before that, uh, Bev, what are you up to?
[04:10.560 –> 04:14.320] I have been playing a lot of Stardew lately,
[04:14.320 –> 04:18.800] uh, ever since I saw, like, Concerned Ape’s tweet about it being, I think, the
[04:18.800 –> 04:22.320] seventh, like, year anniversary. I’m like, I
[04:22.320 –> 04:25.600] should get back into it and then I’ve been completely sucked in for the past
[04:25.600 –> 04:28.560] week. Like, all of my free time has just been
[04:28.560 –> 04:32.800] devoted to Stardew, but it’s not good. I don’t care.
[04:32.800 –> 04:37.680] What are you, like, are you prioritizing a certain thing this time around or
[04:37.680 –> 04:42.320] doing anything? I would like to finish it. Okay, have you not ever done that?
[04:42.320 –> 04:45.760] No, I’ve always been, like, so, like, like,
[04:45.760 –> 04:49.680] so prescriptive and wanting to get everything done in the first two years
[04:49.680 –> 04:54.560] and I think I burned myself out and I haven’t quite, like, gotten to the
[04:54.560 –> 04:59.120] point where I need to ask for Grandpa’s affection yet
[04:59.120 –> 05:04.000] or whatever. Um, and I haven’t actually gotten to, like, the 1.5 stuff,
[05:04.000 –> 05:10.560] um, that came out, so I, I want to, one, finish, I said, I guess,
[05:10.560 –> 05:15.360] essentially the game, get to part, uh, you know, year two, end of year two,
[05:15.360 –> 05:22.240] and also, uh, try all the 1.5 stuff. Yeah. Uh, do you ever get credits? Like,
[05:22.240 –> 05:26.240] is there a way to get credits? What do you mean by credits? Like, so,
[05:26.240 –> 05:28.560] like, when you play, like, a Pokemon game or something,
[05:28.560 –> 05:31.120] like, eventually at some point you hit credits.
[05:31.120 –> 05:36.000] Oh, in Stardew. Um, yeah, I feel like I would imagine it would be
[05:36.000 –> 05:40.160] after, after year two. Okay, like, you, like, after your
[05:40.160 –> 05:45.520] grandfather gives you love and affection or something. For getting
[05:45.520 –> 05:50.800] always tried too, yeah, apparently. Yeah, okay, just never, I’ve never
[05:50.800 –> 05:55.840] gotten it that, that far. Um, I always am perpetually getting
[05:55.840 –> 05:59.360] distracted, so. Uh-huh, exactly, and starting new farms is, like,
[05:59.360 –> 06:03.760] also my issue. Like, I think I have over, like, probably 400 hours in
[06:03.760 –> 06:08.160] this thing, but I don’t have to be in the game, so here we are.
[06:08.160 –> 06:11.200] I do that with Skyrim all the time, like, I’ll start it, and then I’ll
[06:11.200 –> 06:13.840] get really into it for, like, two weeks straight, and I’ll get really
[06:13.840 –> 06:18.560] far, and then I won’t play it for months, and then when I get, when I
[06:18.560 –> 06:21.040] try to play it again, I’m like, I don’t remember what I was doing, so
[06:21.040 –> 06:25.600] I’m just gonna start over, and I have over a thousand hours.
[06:28.240 –> 06:33.680] Yeah, love that dirty, though, because it’s essentially my journey.
[06:33.680 –> 06:43.840] Yeah, um, I have been reading a lot, um, so, oh, I like to read
[06:43.840 –> 06:48.480] fantasy books, so I read, I’m reading books by Robin Hobb, which is,
[06:48.480 –> 06:53.840] she’s my favorite author, um, I’m reading books by, uh, N.K.
[06:53.840 –> 07:00.000] Jemisin, I read, uh, our mutual friend, Brittany Morris, um, I read
[07:00.000 –> 07:04.080] one of, uh, her books, called The Cost of Knowing, I tried to read, um,
[07:04.080 –> 07:06.400] books by Black authors during Black History Month, so.
[07:07.520 –> 07:10.320] I didn’t realize she had come out with another book already.
[07:10.320 –> 07:15.440] Yeah, so, instead of, so, her first book was Slay, um, so good, yeah,
[07:16.240 –> 07:19.520] um, and then the second one was, is called The Cost of Knowing, so
[07:19.520 –> 07:22.800] that Slay was kind of about, like, a coming-of-age story of a, of a
[07:22.800 –> 07:28.800] Black girl who designs kind of a Ready Player One style video game,
[07:28.800 –> 07:35.120] um, super fun, super awesome, and then The Cost of Knowing is about
[07:35.120 –> 07:40.560] a coming-of-age story about, um, a Black teenager, uh, uh, boy at this
[07:40.560 –> 07:45.280] time, and it’s about, like, he has this ability to see the future, and
[07:45.280 –> 07:49.520] then he sees the death of someone that’s very close to him, so, um,
[07:49.520 –> 07:53.840] and it’s about, like, him trying to kind of come to terms with it,
[07:53.840 –> 07:58.080] but also kind of prevent it, but also it’s like, you can’t prevent it,
[07:58.080 –> 08:04.720] like, you can’t prevent it, um, yeah, for games, like, I’ve been
[08:04.720 –> 08:09.040] playing Pokemon Go, um, and I picked up Arceus again, and I tried
[08:09.040 –> 08:14.160] to get credits, I finally beat, uh, a difficult part at the end of the
[08:14.160 –> 08:16.640] game, where if you’ve played Arceus, you know what I’m talking about,
[08:17.200 –> 08:22.240] and, and then there’s another thing you have to do after that, and I
[08:22.240 –> 08:25.840] didn’t know that, like, I literally thought that this thing was, like,
[08:25.840 –> 08:28.400] the thing that was stopping me from beating the game, and then there
[08:28.400 –> 08:29.920] was a different, there’s a different thing you have to do.
[08:29.920 –> 08:32.720] I don’t know if I have beat in the game, and I don’t know what you’re
[08:32.720 –> 08:33.440] doing.
[08:33.440 –> 08:34.400] Oh, yeah, yeah.
[08:35.040 –> 08:35.920] Maybe I have.
[08:36.640 –> 08:39.120] No, actually, I don’t think so, because I’m thinking, I’m thinking
[08:39.120 –> 08:41.360] of Brilliant Diamond Pearl, like, I…
[08:41.360 –> 08:43.360] Oh, yeah, no, Arceus.
[08:43.360 –> 08:46.720] Okay, then maybe I can have a beat in it, what am I doing?
[08:46.720 –> 08:48.720] I need to go back to it at some point.
[08:48.720 –> 08:54.560] It’s so good, it just, like, scratches the itch of collecting, and,
[08:54.560 –> 08:57.040] I don’t know, my favorite part of Pokemon is catching, and trying
[08:57.040 –> 08:59.760] to catch them all, and trying to catch different types, and,
[09:01.040 –> 09:04.080] excuse me, see the, see the Pokemon do different things, and that,
[09:04.080 –> 09:05.360] it really does it, so.
[09:05.360 –> 09:07.360] And that’s what we’ve been playing and reading.
[09:08.240 –> 09:08.560] Hey.
[09:11.360 –> 09:14.560] Okay, so next up, we have some news.
[09:16.160 –> 09:19.040] First piece of news is about Lonesome Village.
[09:19.040 –> 09:29.440] This is the Mexican, not director, Mexican developer that, you’re,
[09:29.440 –> 09:31.360] like, a little coyote?
[09:31.360 –> 09:31.920] Little fox?
[09:33.440 –> 09:34.400] I think it’s coyote.
[09:34.400 –> 09:34.900] Okay.
[09:35.760 –> 09:37.040] If I recall correctly.
[09:37.040 –> 09:42.640] Yeah, and they are porting the game to iPhone and iPad.
[09:42.640 –> 09:50.400] Which is, I guess, exciting if you want it on your phone and iPad.
[09:53.520 –> 09:55.520] I think you can get it on Steam now.
[09:56.160 –> 09:56.480] Yeah.
[09:56.480 –> 09:57.360] Like, it’s out.
[09:58.880 –> 10:03.200] But if you want it on your iPhone or your iPad, she do be coming.
[10:04.960 –> 10:06.640] I don’t think they said when.
[10:06.640 –> 10:08.400] I think they just were like, she happening.
[10:09.680 –> 10:11.440] Nope, release date yet to be announced.
[10:11.440 –> 10:15.680] Okay, I feel like I personally don’t enjoy playing games on iPhone or iPad,
[10:15.680 –> 10:20.000] but I know some folks only have access to a phone to play stuff on.
[10:20.000 –> 10:23.600] So I am excited for them.
[10:23.600 –> 10:28.160] And actually, I might actually tell this person that I’m thinking of about this game,
[10:28.160 –> 10:32.960] because they’re also, I think, Hispanic origin, so they might actually enjoy it.
[10:32.960 –> 10:33.520] There you go.
[10:34.080 –> 10:37.360] Visiting this world in Lonesome Village.
[10:37.360 –> 10:41.120] Mm hmm. Yeah, I like playing.
[10:41.120 –> 10:45.200] I like mobile games, but specifically the ones that are meant to be mobile games,
[10:45.200 –> 10:47.120] like things like RPGs.
[10:47.120 –> 10:52.240] Like, I just don’t anything that requires me to use a phone like a controller.
[10:52.240 –> 10:54.160] I’m like, no, no, I’m out.
[10:56.240 –> 10:58.160] So I have to move anywhere.
[10:58.160 –> 10:58.720] No, thank you.
[11:00.720 –> 11:04.960] Yeah, but it’s there for someone.
[11:04.960 –> 11:08.000] So Lonesome Village, keep your eyes posted.
[11:10.160 –> 11:12.800] Lens Island, which is a game that you and I’ve covered,
[11:14.400 –> 11:16.400] has controller support coming, finally.
[11:18.400 –> 11:25.760] And I saw the tweet and I retweeted or tagged Al and Kevin in it,
[11:25.760 –> 11:27.280] because I thought they’d be excited.
[11:27.280 –> 11:31.360] And Al was just like, guess who doesn’t read the show notes before?
[11:32.000 –> 11:33.680] And I was like, this is like four days ago.
[11:33.680 –> 11:37.600] And I’m like, I was excited to tell you this.
[11:37.600 –> 11:40.240] And then you just like clap back at me.
[11:42.640 –> 11:46.880] I thought we uploaded the news, like in the show notes, like last night.
[11:46.880 –> 11:49.360] I’m pretty sure he messaged me asking.
[11:49.360 –> 11:50.880] Oh, my gosh.
[11:50.880 –> 11:52.640] I don’t even know what he’s talking about.
[11:52.640 –> 11:55.120] Al, Al, Al, Al.
[11:55.120 –> 11:56.800] Yeah, no.
[11:56.800 –> 12:01.120] So this is something that I know Kevin had said that he was waiting for.
[12:01.120 –> 12:05.280] And we like controller support here.
[12:05.280 –> 12:06.080] We do.
[12:06.080 –> 12:07.920] It helps for accessibility.
[12:07.920 –> 12:11.360] I’m excited to get back into this with controller support.
[12:12.880 –> 12:15.920] I have not played it, I think, since we last covered it.
[12:15.920 –> 12:18.240] And I know there’s been a whole bunch of changes.
[12:18.240 –> 12:23.920] And I think having the controller support might be what brings me back in at this point.
[12:25.280 –> 12:28.320] And someone had said, someone on the Twitter,
[12:28.320 –> 12:32.240] on the Twitter, on the tweet said,
[12:33.440 –> 12:36.080] so would that mean Steam Deck compatibility?
[12:36.080 –> 12:41.200] And the developer said that after the controller support update playing on Steam Deck,
[12:41.200 –> 12:43.120] we’ll have improved functionality.
[12:44.240 –> 12:47.120] So it still won’t technically be supported for the Steam Deck,
[12:47.120 –> 12:51.200] but it will have better functionality on the Steam Deck.
[12:51.920 –> 12:55.600] And they’re hoping to have full compatibility in the future.
[12:55.600 –> 12:56.960] So yeah.
[12:56.960 –> 12:59.600] So I’m assuming it essentially works fine.
[12:59.600 –> 13:02.400] It was just like whatever Steam requirements are for
[13:03.280 –> 13:06.160] Steam Deck optimization or whatever it needs.
[13:06.160 –> 13:09.040] They just added a few more things that I probably don’t care about.
[13:10.800 –> 13:14.160] Yeah, it just looks so good.
[13:14.160 –> 13:15.360] I need to jump back into it.
[13:15.360 –> 13:16.080] I know.
[13:16.080 –> 13:16.880] It’s so good.
[13:19.360 –> 13:23.680] Speaking of games that you and I like and fight over sometimes,
[13:23.680 –> 13:31.200] uh, Coral Island, when Al was like,
[13:31.200 –> 13:32.720] who wants to be in the Coral Island episode?
[13:32.720 –> 13:33.360] We were both like,
[13:36.080 –> 13:38.640] like the beginning of when Al was like, you guys do it?
[13:38.640 –> 13:39.680] Like, I’m stepping back.
[13:42.160 –> 13:44.800] I think we’re also like that with Lens Island too.
[13:44.800 –> 13:45.300] Yeah.
[13:45.760 –> 13:48.880] And then Kevin and I were like that with Bear and Breakfast.
[13:50.080 –> 13:51.920] Just like, we want to do it.
[13:51.920 –> 13:54.640] And so, and also research story now.
[13:54.640 –> 13:57.040] So there’s a theme here.
[13:57.040 –> 13:57.760] Coral Island.
[13:59.840 –> 14:04.000] The Coral Island Spring update is coming in March.
[14:05.360 –> 14:07.520] There will be a bunch of new content.
[14:09.840 –> 14:11.360] You can, it adds a solar panel.
[14:11.920 –> 14:12.480] Just go on.
[14:13.680 –> 14:17.120] New outdoor decor, new indoor decor,
[14:17.120 –> 14:19.600] a new tree planting festival,
[14:19.600 –> 14:26.240] um, which is awesome that, uh, you go to an area that was devastated by logging and you replant.
[14:27.200 –> 14:29.120] It’s very on brand for Coral Island.
[14:30.640 –> 14:32.640] Um, yeah, it just looks really cute.
[14:32.960 –> 14:38.800] Um, on top of that, there is a bunch of accessibility improvements, which I love.
[14:41.360 –> 14:46.960] Um, so they said that there’s support for dyslexic font for Latin characters.
[14:46.960 –> 14:51.760] Um, there is, you can increase or decrease the font sizes depending on your need.
[14:51.760 –> 14:55.440] And there are three different, uh, colorblindness filters.
[14:55.440 –> 15:01.840] Now, um, I’m going to ruin these deuteranopia, protanopia, and tritanopia.
[15:02.720 –> 15:06.880] Um, so I think that’s depending on what your colorblindness is.
[15:06.880 –> 15:13.040] Um, those are the three modes that’s supposed to like help enhance the game or make the game.
[15:13.040 –> 15:20.720] Um, I depending on what kind of colorblindness you have, um, like it’s these three different modes.
[15:20.720 –> 15:27.120] Um, and then they also said custom key bindings, which is awesome.
[15:27.120 –> 15:31.440] Like I’ve never, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a game do dyslexic font.
[15:31.440 –> 15:35.440] In fact, I didn’t know that was the thing until I read it.
[15:35.440 –> 15:39.760] Um, and I am just love, love, love.
[15:39.760 –> 15:45.360] Uh, I think I’ve seen maybe one or two other games that have colorblind modes, but it’s just,
[15:45.360 –> 15:50.000] I feel like that needs to be more mainstreamed at this point.
[15:50.000 –> 15:56.240] Um, with all the new, like new games coming out, like just having that actual level of accessibility.
[15:56.800 –> 15:59.040] I bring in a lot of people.
[15:59.040 –> 16:01.280] Um, so I’m, I’m really excited.
[16:01.280 –> 16:02.960] Like rural Islander was doing this.
[16:02.960 –> 16:03.440] Hey, good.
[16:03.440 –> 16:04.880] I was like, we haven’t covered this yet.
[16:04.880 –> 16:05.360] Right.
[16:05.360 –> 16:06.000] Cause like,
[16:06.000 –> 16:11.200] Uh, right now it has you and Al’s name on it.
[16:11.200 –> 16:12.080] So I’m gonna wait.
[16:12.080 –> 16:13.920] Which one has a core Island?
[16:13.920 –> 16:14.560] Yeah, this game.
[16:15.440 –> 16:15.940] Okay.
[16:17.120 –> 16:19.280] I was like, I was wondering, have you covered it?
[16:19.280 –> 16:20.560] No, I was sitting here.
[16:20.560 –> 16:22.080] I was like, wait, this is out already.
[16:22.080 –> 16:28.560] Why like, we know why haven’t we, what am I doing sitting on this game?
[16:31.760 –> 16:33.360] Wait, what are we supposed to be doing?
[16:33.360 –> 16:37.920] Oh, wait, it doesn’t have a date yet.
[16:38.480 –> 16:38.980] Okay.
[16:39.760 –> 16:40.800] And Alice name on it.
[16:40.800 –> 16:42.720] We’re going to have to kick out on earth.
[16:42.720 –> 16:43.920] Get you a problem.
[16:43.920 –> 16:46.080] The problem is that it’s just windows.
[16:46.080 –> 16:47.440] So this is the problem.
[16:47.440 –> 16:52.400] Y’all I only have my PC is my desktop and it’s in a room.
[16:52.400 –> 16:54.400] I never go in anyway.
[16:55.600 –> 16:57.760] Um, I mean, I’m going to be playing research story on it.
[16:57.760 –> 17:07.440] So next piece of news, uh, ages of Kataria, um, is delayed
[17:07.440 –> 17:11.440] until 2024, specifically Q1 2024.
[17:12.240 –> 17:19.440] Um, I am not sure if this game has been talking about, um, I don’t
[17:19.440 –> 17:23.200] also, but I will say that I’ve personally not looked into it
[17:23.200 –> 17:25.120] yet until just now.
[17:25.120 –> 17:28.160] And I love the look of it.
[17:28.160 –> 17:28.660] Yeah.
[17:29.040 –> 17:29.540] Same.
[17:29.540 –> 17:30.720] It’s very cute.
[17:31.440 –> 17:31.940] Yeah.
[17:32.240 –> 17:36.000] Um, the whole vibe aesthetic looks really cute.
[17:36.000 –> 17:37.600] Of the animals are really cute.
[17:37.600 –> 17:39.600] Um, I like the concept.
[17:39.600 –> 17:43.440] Like it’s like an age of empires game, but you actually care more
[17:43.440 –> 17:44.960] about what your people are doing.
[17:46.960 –> 17:50.800] Like your, your characters like age over time and you get to see
[17:50.800 –> 17:53.520] them and you collect your little souls in a tree, apparently.
[17:53.520 –> 17:57.840] Um, I’m feeling like I actually might’ve already talked about this
[17:57.840 –> 18:01.280] in a previous episode and I already covered it.
[18:01.280 –> 18:01.760] I forgot.
[18:01.760 –> 18:02.960] My memory is terrible.
[18:02.960 –> 18:04.800] I’ll confirm this.
[18:06.800 –> 18:10.240] Um, yeah, no, I, it looks really cute.
[18:10.240 –> 18:13.200] You manage your villagers, uh, there’s a spirit tree.
[18:13.200 –> 18:16.240] There are elves and the elves are like plant people.
[18:16.240 –> 18:21.520] Um, so you can choose whether your village is humans or elves.
[18:21.520 –> 18:23.920] Um, and the elves also are like different colors.
[18:23.920 –> 18:28.080] Uh, I’m a little confused by that.
[18:28.080 –> 18:30.160] Like, why, why do you have to choose?
[18:30.160 –> 18:31.440] Why can’t you just have both?
[18:31.440 –> 18:36.560] And I’ve seen that it’s like based off of real world, like time.
[18:37.440 –> 18:40.240] And that’s why I think maybe I’ve talked about this already.
[18:40.240 –> 18:44.000] Cause I feel like I’m not excited by it being real world world.
[18:44.000 –> 18:44.500] Yeah.
[18:44.500 –> 18:47.200] Um, but whatever, it’s very cute.
[18:47.200 –> 18:49.760] Uh, I love the gist of it for the most part.
[18:49.760 –> 18:53.280] So I will, I don’t, I don’t have money right now to bag it,
[18:53.280 –> 18:55.280] but I will probably get it at some point.
[18:56.160 –> 19:00.560] So, I mean, I think that the reason you choose between either humans or
[19:00.560 –> 19:03.360] elves is because you’re supposed, you’re wanting your village to grow.
[19:03.360 –> 19:09.920] And I think since the elves are made of plants, I have the feeling that
[19:09.920 –> 19:14.080] if you had both and then they all pair off that eventually you’re not
[19:14.080 –> 19:15.600] going to have a village anymore.
[19:15.600 –> 19:18.640] Um, but that would be a super cute idea.
[19:18.640 –> 19:22.560] If like you could make like a second village or something, and then
[19:22.560 –> 19:25.840] maybe like an elf comes over and like falls in love with a human and
[19:25.840 –> 19:30.560] then like, and they can totally like live it, but babies are, are a
[19:30.560 –> 19:35.360] thing that need to happen and if they’re plant, but I guess it’s also a game.
[19:36.240 –> 19:38.000] Well, they could make it happen.
[19:38.000 –> 19:40.560] They have to reproduce somehow.
[19:40.560 –> 19:42.880] Otherwise, how, how do they exist?
[19:42.880 –> 19:47.520] Um, we have questions.
[19:47.520 –> 19:49.120] We have a lot of questions.
[19:51.760 –> 19:52.960] Oh my goodness.
[19:53.840 –> 19:57.680] Also, if that’s also like the question of, are they the same species?
[19:57.680 –> 20:01.200] Cause can they actually humans and elves, can they procreate?
[20:01.200 –> 20:02.400] I don’t think they can.
[20:02.400 –> 20:05.520] But is there any concern with having them both in a one village?
[20:07.680 –> 20:12.560] I mean, so they, I don’t think that they can procreate,
[20:12.560 –> 20:15.040] but I think that they would probably still have the capability
[20:15.040 –> 20:16.720] to fall in love and choose each other.
[20:16.720 –> 20:16.960] Right.
[20:18.320 –> 20:18.640] Yeah.
[20:19.200 –> 20:21.520] Cause like, is it going to be drama about that?
[20:21.520 –> 20:23.520] That’s what I want.
[20:23.520 –> 20:24.560] This is what I want now.
[20:26.080 –> 20:27.120] Cause that’s what I’m saying.
[20:27.120 –> 20:31.520] It’s like, what if they all like, all the humans are like, screw humans.
[20:31.520 –> 20:34.240] Like I’m going to date an elf and the elves do the same thing.
[20:34.240 –> 20:35.360] And then your villages.
[20:35.360 –> 20:35.680] Okay.
[20:35.680 –> 20:36.640] I understand that.
[20:36.640 –> 20:37.280] I understand.
[20:37.280 –> 20:39.920] Your village just is gone.
[20:39.920 –> 20:40.960] How they procreate.
[20:40.960 –> 20:46.240] Like if they’re, if they’re plants, they could theoretically holiday themselves.
[20:46.240 –> 20:50.640] What if the elves last like so much longer than the humans.
[20:51.680 –> 20:55.040] And so then the human passes, but the elves.
[20:55.040 –> 20:56.640] Oh my God.
[20:56.640 –> 20:57.600] I want this.
[20:57.600 –> 20:59.360] This is the story.
[20:59.360 –> 21:01.360] This is not what this game is going to be about.
[21:01.360 –> 21:05.520] But okay.
[21:05.520 –> 21:07.120] This is what I want now.
[21:08.240 –> 21:09.600] Above snakes.
[21:09.600 –> 21:18.400] According to their latest update, it’s finished quote unquote whatever that means.
[21:18.400 –> 21:20.000] They’re just focusing on bug fixes.
[21:20.800 –> 21:26.000] Looks like they’re still I don’t know if it’s, I think they were still on, on, on track for
[21:26.000 –> 21:28.000] their release in early 2023.
[21:28.000 –> 21:34.000] Also, whatever that means, because early 2023 is fast ending.
[21:34.000 –> 21:39.760] Yeah, as we, as we mentioned, retired in February, where did it go?
[21:41.760 –> 21:45.440] I feel like March is like the end of like early 2023.
[21:45.440 –> 21:50.320] Like that’s officially been a quarter, a whole quarter of a year done.
[21:50.320 –> 21:56.240] So if it’s not coming out in the next month and this month, I don’t believe in early 2023.
[21:56.240 –> 21:57.920] Then but we’ll see.
[21:57.920 –> 21:58.720] We’ll see.
[21:58.720 –> 22:05.280] There’s apparently a prologue coming soon, which we can download for free, I guess.
[22:05.280 –> 22:08.800] I guess it’s going to be kind of like a demo, I’m assuming.
[22:08.800 –> 22:12.800] Yeah, it looks like it covers about the first hour of gameplay.
[22:12.800 –> 22:14.720] So why don’t we just call it a demo?
[22:15.360 –> 22:16.400] But it’s a demo.
[22:17.120 –> 22:17.600] I wonder.
[22:17.600 –> 22:24.160] So I wonder if, so I know that like if you have a demo of a game, so like Apico, for
[22:24.160 –> 22:29.920] example, if you downloaded the demo and then played the game, you could not continue your
[22:29.920 –> 22:30.720] demo game.
[22:31.760 –> 22:33.840] You had to start a new game.
[22:33.840 –> 22:35.840] And a lot of people, which just makes sense.
[22:35.840 –> 22:36.960] It was a demo version.
[22:36.960 –> 22:39.040] It was like a completely different version of the game.
[22:39.040 –> 22:42.800] They don’t like, it didn’t have everything.
[22:42.800 –> 22:46.640] But I wonder if because they’re calling this prologue, like you, yeah.
[22:46.640 –> 22:47.520] Oh, it says that.
[22:48.480 –> 22:50.560] Oh, see if I will carry over to the full game.
[22:50.560 –> 22:51.440] So yeah, that’s.
[22:51.440 –> 22:58.800] Yeah, so instead of you having to like start over, you can play this first bit, be introduced
[22:58.800 –> 23:03.600] to the game for free, and then your save file will carry over.
[23:03.600 –> 23:04.160] Yep.
[23:04.160 –> 23:08.160] But it sounds like a DLC or like a whole different thing.
[23:08.160 –> 23:09.840] It’s a pre-LC.
[23:10.400 –> 23:11.440] It’s, oh my goodness.
[23:13.120 –> 23:17.600] Is this early release, like early access, just a different way to call it that?
[23:17.600 –> 23:20.240] Because they did have early access in their Kickstarter.
[23:20.240 –> 23:24.160] So I’m confused.
[23:24.160 –> 23:25.680] Yeah, I’ll define this.
[23:27.040 –> 23:28.480] What does prologue mean?
[23:29.360 –> 23:32.000] I mean, that’s what I think it means is that, yeah.
[23:34.160 –> 23:38.560] They’re going to PAX East, which is super interesting.
[23:38.560 –> 23:41.840] Actually, no, no, I am not going, no.
[23:43.120 –> 23:46.080] I saw it and I was like, oh, I could go to PAX East.
[23:46.080 –> 23:50.400] Because that’s the first time that we met, I think.
[23:50.400 –> 23:51.040] Was it PAX East?
[23:51.040 –> 23:54.880] No, because I got sick and I couldn’t make it out.
[23:54.880 –> 23:55.200] Right.
[23:55.200 –> 23:57.200] It was Kelly that I roomed with.
[23:57.200 –> 23:59.200] Kelly and I think Mia and Nick.
[23:59.200 –> 23:59.600] Yeah.
[23:59.600 –> 24:01.040] All the other slackers.
[24:01.040 –> 24:02.000] Yeah, you weren’t there.
[24:02.000 –> 24:03.840] Oh, and then we went camping afterwards.
[24:03.840 –> 24:04.400] Okay.
[24:04.400 –> 24:04.720] Yes.
[24:04.720 –> 24:05.760] So that made up for it.
[24:06.800 –> 24:09.360] I think it’s still going back to Above Snakes.
[24:09.360 –> 24:14.000] I think it’s still on track because they had, they were Kickstarter.
[24:14.000 –> 24:17.920] They had a pre-alpha and alpha beta, and they still say early 2023.
[24:17.920 –> 24:18.420] Okay.
[24:19.600 –> 24:22.800] And it says we have internally decided on a release date.
[24:24.080 –> 24:28.160] Then they’re going to say what it is the next update.
[24:28.720 –> 24:29.040] Okay.
[24:29.040 –> 24:30.640] So there’s going to be announcement.
[24:30.640 –> 24:32.800] This is the announcement about the announcement.
[24:32.800 –> 24:33.840] This is the announcement.
[24:33.840 –> 24:34.340] Correct.
[24:35.200 –> 24:35.700] Okay.
[24:36.320 –> 24:41.200] I mean, we know we love that in at harvest season.
[24:42.560 –> 24:42.960] Yeah.
[24:42.960 –> 24:44.320] Should you almost say Harvest Moon?
[24:44.880 –> 24:46.400] No, no.
[24:46.400 –> 24:47.760] I almost heard Harvest Moon.
[24:48.560 –> 24:51.120] I mean, also, I don’t know what I was going to say.
[24:53.280 –> 24:53.780] Okay.
[24:54.480 –> 24:55.360] Last piece of news.
[24:55.360 –> 24:55.920] We’ve got this.
[24:55.920 –> 24:56.800] We can do this.
[24:56.800 –> 24:57.440] We do this.
[24:58.960 –> 25:00.560] So this, I think, is a new game.
[25:01.120 –> 25:03.280] It’s called Enchanted.
[25:03.280 –> 25:09.520] So it’s like Enchanted, but it’s an inn, like a cozy inn that you go and stop and stay at.
[25:10.160 –> 25:10.800] Enchanted.
[25:10.800 –> 25:15.920] And the steam thing says, quote, run a magical inn with friends.
[25:15.920 –> 25:17.280] I’m going to butcher this name.
[25:18.240 –> 25:23.920] Ja rules family in question mark has been stolen by an evil wizard landlord.
[25:23.920 –> 25:26.400] Team up with friends to reclaim your family’s legacy.
[25:26.400 –> 25:32.800] Manage your in brew potions, fish cook and fight in this hectic and heartfelt magical
[25:32.800 –> 25:41.200] adventure and play solo or play solo or co-op for one to four players.
[25:41.200 –> 25:46.080] I feel like they should say play solo or co-op for two to four other players.
[25:46.640 –> 25:50.160] Like, I don’t know, but you can’t co-op by.
[25:50.160 –> 25:53.280] I mean, no, no, you can’t co-op by yourself.
[25:55.440 –> 25:55.940] So, yeah.
[25:55.940 –> 26:02.180] So at first it looks like another, like, witch game.
[26:03.060 –> 26:04.900] There’s like a little cauldron and stuff.
[26:06.500 –> 26:10.020] But then it very quickly became chaos.
[26:10.020 –> 26:12.020] Yeah, there’s a lot.
[26:12.580 –> 26:16.420] Like, we were talking about this before we started recording, and it’s like our ADHD
[26:16.420 –> 26:19.060] brains can’t understand what’s going on.
[26:19.060 –> 26:21.940] It’s just there’s too many colors, too many things.
[26:21.940 –> 26:24.180] A lot of colors in this.
[26:24.180 –> 26:30.900] So you said you were into it because it’s an Australian goodness.
[26:30.900 –> 26:31.540] What was it?
[26:32.420 –> 26:39.940] It’s a fantasy universe inspired by indigest, indigen, indigen, indigen, indigenous.
[26:39.940 –> 26:41.300] Yes, thank you.
[26:41.300 –> 26:42.100] Australian tails.
[26:44.100 –> 26:46.580] I’m a struggle boss today.
[26:46.580 –> 26:47.220] It’s all good.
[26:48.980 –> 26:49.460] Yeah.
[26:49.460 –> 26:58.100] So I mean, it looks like you cook things and you update your in, you run it, and you decorate
[26:58.100 –> 26:58.260] it.
[26:58.260 –> 27:05.300] You’re trying to satisfy, quote, the infamous food critic with capitals.
[27:06.180 –> 27:07.380] No, I don’t like that.
[27:07.380 –> 27:09.220] Surprised it doesn’t have a trademark after it.
[27:09.860 –> 27:10.500] Oh, my gosh.
[27:10.500 –> 27:13.540] Purchase upgrades from your local were’s wolf.
[27:13.540 –> 27:19.620] Oh, a wolf that you get were’s from.
[27:19.620 –> 27:24.020] See, I think I just needed to take the trailer was a lot all at once.
[27:24.820 –> 27:31.460] These little golden gems did not like the famous food critic, but where’s wolf?
[27:31.460 –> 27:32.420] I am here for.
[27:32.420 –> 27:34.820] You got to overcome any of the wizard burglars.
[27:34.820 –> 27:36.820] There’s a cat bird.
[27:36.820 –> 27:37.700] That’s one word.
[27:37.700 –> 27:43.300] And I don’t know what that means, but it looks like it’s a species of cat burglar.
[27:43.300 –> 27:44.900] Oh, my gosh.
[27:46.020 –> 27:46.420] Yeah.
[27:46.420 –> 27:49.700] So Al had said that this was out now.
[27:50.580 –> 27:51.700] And it’s not.
[27:51.700 –> 27:52.420] It’s not, Al.
[27:57.700 –> 28:01.540] You can purchase it, pre-purchase it, pre-order it.
[28:02.420 –> 28:06.980] Well, how, you know, however you want to call it, you can buy it now, which is 50% off.
[28:06.980 –> 28:07.940] So go for it.
[28:07.940 –> 28:10.660] If you’re going to get it, I will say it is.
[28:10.660 –> 28:12.660] It sounded like you said 50% off.
[28:12.660 –> 28:15.620] So I’m going to 50 15 15.
[28:16.420 –> 28:16.980] Thank you.
[28:16.980 –> 28:21.700] One five established words are not my strong suit and I’m recording a podcast.
[28:21.700 –> 28:30.180] So so yeah, if you buy it before before the release date, which is March 28th, you can
[28:30.180 –> 28:32.180] get that 15% off.
[28:32.180 –> 28:35.780] My brain’s trying to do math right now.
[28:37.780 –> 28:38.900] You save three dollars.
[28:40.900 –> 28:42.340] You save three dollars.
[28:42.340 –> 28:43.620] Three American dollars.
[28:43.620 –> 28:47.380] I was just like, is this is that it is it is.
[28:49.220 –> 28:51.540] So that is enchanted.
[28:52.980 –> 28:53.780] It’s a clever name.
[28:53.780 –> 28:54.980] I’ll give it that.
[28:54.980 –> 28:55.300] Yeah.
[28:55.300 –> 29:02.740] Okay.
[29:02.740 –> 29:03.540] Oh, my brain.
[29:05.380 –> 29:12.260] So let’s go to our main topic, which is I wrote how to gamify science and research accurately.
[29:13.620 –> 29:14.340] The important bit.
[29:14.340 –> 29:15.220] Act it is.
[29:15.220 –> 29:22.900] Yeah, because so this kind of like I said, Bev, they brought up the game, the idea first
[29:22.900 –> 29:26.340] of talking about, like, research that we’ve done before and then how we can gamify it.
[29:26.340 –> 29:37.620] But this also ties into this gripe that I have about bees, bees, specifically bees and
[29:37.620 –> 29:41.300] bees and games, because there was a game that came out recently or not came out, but like
[29:41.300 –> 29:43.380] it was talked about on the podcast recently.
[29:43.380 –> 29:45.540] Gosh, I can’t remember what Honeyman sir, I think.
[29:46.740 –> 29:49.700] And someone was like, Oh, Cody’s going to love it because it’s a big game.
[29:49.700 –> 29:52.100] And I’m like over here, like, see things.
[29:52.100 –> 29:57.300] Just like screaming in the background.
[29:57.300 –> 29:59.460] Yeah, because it completely depends.
[29:59.460 –> 30:06.900] Like, so for one, I think that there’s a lot of there’s a lot of honeybee stuff in the
[30:06.900 –> 30:08.260] media nowadays.
[30:09.620 –> 30:11.620] And I don’t really study honeybees.
[30:11.620 –> 30:14.260] I study specifically anything else.
[30:14.260 –> 30:24.500] And so there’s like this built up ire over years of me telling people that I study bees
[30:24.500 –> 30:27.140] and then them asking me, Oh, do you have a hive?
[30:27.140 –> 30:31.460] Oh, how can I have a hive?
[30:31.460 –> 30:33.460] And me being like, I don’t do that.
[30:34.340 –> 30:36.580] Go watch a YouTube video on how to do it.
[30:36.580 –> 30:38.420] Yeah, I don’t do that.
[30:38.420 –> 30:39.380] I can’t tell you.
[30:39.380 –> 30:44.420] I can’t tell you anything about that.
[30:44.420 –> 30:56.020] And so it’s this like, if the game either only has honeybees in it, or if all it has
[30:56.020 –> 31:01.460] is a big round thing, and it spits out honey.
[31:03.140 –> 31:05.700] I’m not gonna be one over.
[31:06.500 –> 31:07.940] There has to be more.
[31:07.940 –> 31:17.060] But if it’s like a game where you can have, you plant flowers and you plant bees and butterflies
[31:17.060 –> 31:20.900] and stuff, and then there’s a benefit to that, I’m all for that.
[31:22.260 –> 31:23.060] It’s just different.
[31:23.060 –> 31:27.140] Or like Apico, they have the solitary bees update.
[31:27.140 –> 31:32.100] So that talked all about solitary bees and butterflies, which is amazing completely.
[31:32.100 –> 31:39.700] Like, even though it’s a game that started out only about beekeeping, it’s not just that.
[31:39.700 –> 31:40.500] So that’s amazing.
[31:41.220 –> 31:42.020] It is.
[31:42.020 –> 31:42.900] They did it right.
[31:42.900 –> 31:44.260] Apico is amazing.
[31:44.260 –> 31:44.820] Yeah.
[31:44.820 –> 31:46.660] And so whatever.
[31:46.660 –> 31:47.060] I’m sorry.
[31:48.420 –> 31:49.380] It’s all good.
[31:49.380 –> 31:54.020] And so part of me is sitting here like, okay, what do I want from people?
[31:54.020 –> 32:00.580] Because right now all I’m doing is getting mad and saying you’re not doing it correctly.
[32:00.580 –> 32:02.500] But then I don’t like in my brain.
[32:03.940 –> 32:12.020] And then I don’t say how it should be done, which is kind of also the like, how do you
[32:12.020 –> 32:13.540] gamify science and research?
[32:13.540 –> 32:15.060] Like, how do you do this?
[32:16.420 –> 32:21.540] And sometimes I feel like people don’t, you know, of course, Elle from the developer of
[32:21.540 –> 32:27.780] Apico is the exception to this, but most people don’t do their research.
[32:27.780 –> 32:31.620] And so that’s all they do is just make like a thing that spits out honey.
[32:33.620 –> 32:38.100] I mean, if you do your research, like if you were looking like how to conserve wild native
[32:38.100 –> 32:43.460] bees, you would learn about the diversity of bees and you would learn about how they
[32:43.460 –> 32:45.380] need more than just like most.
[32:45.380 –> 32:47.060] Most of them don’t use hives.
[32:47.060 –> 32:48.340] Most of them aren’t social.
[32:49.700 –> 32:54.260] There are only so in North America, for example, there’s 4000 species of native bees.
[32:55.300 –> 32:56.340] None of those are the honeybee.
[32:56.340 –> 32:58.580] Honeybee is not native to North America.
[32:58.580 –> 33:00.900] And only what is it?
[33:00.900 –> 33:06.500] Like 9% of bees are social and live in like a colony or a hive environment.
[33:08.740 –> 33:11.380] The other 91% are solitary.
[33:12.180 –> 33:13.220] And nobody understands.
[33:14.100 –> 33:14.660] Yeah.
[33:14.660 –> 33:20.580] So nobody understands like their life history, what they do, how they do it.
[33:20.580 –> 33:28.740] And I feel like a game would be an amazing avenue to teach people how to do it or to
[33:28.740 –> 33:32.420] teach people about plant pollinator networks or whatever.
[33:34.420 –> 33:40.580] So I guess that’s gonna be part of part of why we’re talking about what we’re talking
[33:40.580 –> 33:49.060] about today is like trying to just like advance the or advocate for the use of doing your
[33:49.060 –> 33:55.780] research about plants that you might be using or insects or wildlife that you might be using.
[33:55.780 –> 34:04.100] Like, if you have someplace, if you have a game that is set in the forest, try and figure
[34:04.100 –> 34:08.980] out what forest insects actually are or what forest birds there actually would be.
[34:11.540 –> 34:12.980] I feel like movies don’t do this either.
[34:12.980 –> 34:16.500] Movies don’t do a really bad version of this, too, because there’s been a lot of movies.
[34:16.500 –> 34:24.180] I also listen to, like, I also go birding and know a decent amount of bird songs, and
[34:24.180 –> 34:29.620] I’ll be watching a movie and it’ll be in, like, a desert and there’s a beautiful sand
[34:29.620 –> 34:33.460] dune in front of you and the sun is hitting it just right.
[34:33.460 –> 34:35.620] And it’s just really like, you can feel the heat.
[34:35.620 –> 34:42.260] And then I hear a red-tailed hawk and I’m like, I am taken out.
[34:42.260 –> 34:42.740] No.
[34:42.740 –> 34:43.300] Yep.
[34:43.300 –> 34:48.180] Yeah, I’ve had that moment before with, like, tropical birds calls.
[34:48.180 –> 34:49.860] Like, I only know about bird calls.
[34:50.740 –> 34:56.740] And I’ve heard like a Montezuma like goodness, I’m forgetting the name or pendant.
[34:56.740 –> 34:57.060] I can’t.
[34:57.060 –> 34:59.140] There was also another name I couldn’t pronounce.
[34:59.140 –> 34:59.460] No.
[34:59.460 –> 35:03.940] And I was like, that is not where this bird is found.
[35:04.660 –> 35:07.780] I completely like thrown off and distracted by that.
[35:07.780 –> 35:09.620] So, yeah, I agreed.
[35:09.620 –> 35:14.420] Or, like, watching a movie that’s set in California and I hear a cardinal.
[35:15.060 –> 35:19.060] And now that I’ve lived in the Northeast and I know what a cardinal sounds like, I’m like,
[35:19.060 –> 35:21.220] nope, that’s not out there.
[35:21.220 –> 35:22.420] So I don’t know.
[35:22.420 –> 35:30.500] Just advocating for even if your game is not about science or insects or anything like
[35:30.500 –> 35:34.500] that, or about research, like, even if the game isn’t about conducting research, do your
[35:34.500 –> 35:34.980] homework.
[35:34.980 –> 35:42.100] Either contact someone, like, honestly, like, Elle, when Elle reached out to me and was
[35:42.100 –> 35:45.940] like, Hey, would you be willing to consult on the solitary bees update?
[35:45.940 –> 35:49.700] I was like, Yeah, I don’t even don’t even need money.
[35:49.700 –> 35:51.780] Like, don’t need money.
[35:51.780 –> 35:52.980] We’ll still pay for the game.
[35:53.540 –> 35:56.020] Like, I would love to play this game.
[35:57.700 –> 36:04.340] And I feel like a lot of other like if you’re making a game about birding or bird watching
[36:04.340 –> 36:10.260] or something like that, like bird watchers or ornithologists would be all about it.
[36:10.260 –> 36:13.140] Yeah, it would be so excited to see like wingspan.
[36:13.140 –> 36:19.620] Like, I am in love with this board game because they actually took the time to like, you know,
[36:19.620 –> 36:23.380] do the homework and make it realistic and about birds.
[36:24.500 –> 36:31.060] And it’s just like any opportunity that is like an educational like there’s so many opportunities
[36:31.060 –> 36:39.460] just to educate people without even trying to, you know, like having a like neat like
[36:39.460 –> 36:46.420] I don’t I can’t work with words today of having having a like locality that has like actual
[36:46.420 –> 36:50.980] local plants and actual local flora and fauna like that is huge.
[36:50.980 –> 36:54.500] And it means a lot to the people who live there and can recognize it.
[36:54.500 –> 37:01.460] So just taking that extra like effort is noticed by people and we need to, I think,
[37:01.460 –> 37:04.420] celebrate it more often and encourage people to do it because I want it.
[37:05.620 –> 37:06.180] Yup.
[37:06.180 –> 37:14.580] So I guess do you want to talk about research that you have conducted in your life and how
[37:14.580 –> 37:15.780] it could be gamified?
[37:16.420 –> 37:24.420] I feel like research is such a good opportunity for like farming games and like, you know,
[37:24.420 –> 37:28.340] like cards, core games because there’s a lot of like repetition to it.
[37:29.540 –> 37:32.100] At least it can be a lot of repetition to it.
[37:32.100 –> 37:38.740] And a lot of it is like kind of the same like vibe of it can be mindless but relaxing while
[37:38.740 –> 37:39.700] you’re working on it.
[37:40.660 –> 37:43.700] So I’m honestly surprised that I haven’t seen it more often.
[37:43.700 –> 37:49.300] And I feel like any game that has like a research component to it, I’m very excited about.
[37:49.300 –> 37:55.140] Like the Arceus, which has you being a field researcher, essentially.
[37:55.140 –> 38:01.620] And same thing with, I think, Scarlet and Violet, where you’re literally creating volumes
[38:01.620 –> 38:09.380] of data that you’ve harvested collected based off of your observations.
[38:09.380 –> 38:10.820] So I love that.
[38:10.820 –> 38:13.300] And I’ve already gone on a tangent.
[38:15.460 –> 38:18.900] The only thing I was going to interject was please use the word harvested because that’ll
[38:18.900 –> 38:24.260] make it more likely that Al will approve of the talk because we’re using the word harvested.
[38:24.260 –> 38:26.500] How many times can we use the word harvest?
[38:26.500 –> 38:27.300] Oh, okay.
[38:27.300 –> 38:28.660] Well, I’ll use it more.
[38:30.100 –> 38:32.020] You harvest the data, Al.
[38:32.660 –> 38:33.160] Uh-huh.
[38:34.180 –> 38:39.140] So I guess a lot of the research I haven’t done, mind you, I haven’t done research since
[38:39.140 –> 38:40.980] like college.
[38:42.020 –> 38:45.060] So most of my research took place during that time.
[38:45.060 –> 38:53.060] But my two, I think, main biggest projects were related to collecting fecal matter from
[38:53.060 –> 38:54.820] owl monkeys in Argentina.
[38:54.820 –> 38:56.340] That was a lot of fun.
[38:58.180 –> 39:06.820] And I also did a clay wizard study in Costa Rica, where I studied like predation rates
[39:07.460 –> 39:11.620] in two different types of forest, primary and secondary forest.
[39:11.620 –> 39:15.300] So both of those are different.
[39:15.300 –> 39:18.100] But I enjoyed both for different reasons.
[39:20.660 –> 39:21.220] I don’t know.
[39:21.220 –> 39:22.500] Should I like?
[39:23.060 –> 39:23.380] Yeah.
[39:23.380 –> 39:26.980] So like for the monkey one, like what were you guys looking at?
[39:27.780 –> 39:34.500] So this group of monkeys were very unique in that they were both diurnal and nocturnal.
[39:34.500 –> 39:40.660] So it was like a small group of monkeys that lived on essentially a farmland.
[39:41.700 –> 39:46.260] And they’ve been studying those sets of monkeys for a very long time.
[39:47.460 –> 39:49.220] Part of that was just behavioral.
[39:49.780 –> 39:52.660] They are monogamous monkeys.
[39:54.740 –> 39:55.300] Oh, goodness.
[39:55.300 –> 39:55.700] What else?
[39:56.260 –> 39:57.860] I know they analyze like hormones.
[39:57.860 –> 40:00.340] So that’s why we were collecting fecal matter for it.
[40:00.340 –> 40:08.660] And I specifically was looking at changes in daytime patterns over time to see if it
[40:09.220 –> 40:12.260] has adjusted with changing climate and whatnot.
[40:12.260 –> 40:13.700] Essentially found that, yes, it had.
[40:14.980 –> 40:17.460] But there’s so many different projects around them.
[40:18.580 –> 40:24.420] I don’t recall what they did specifically with the hormones, but just witnessing, I
[40:24.420 –> 40:28.580] think, some of the more behavior aspects, seeing like the dynamics between them, because
[40:28.580 –> 40:34.260] they can have some like there were monogamous, but there would be instances where someone
[40:34.260 –> 40:35.940] would come in like breaking the family.
[40:38.180 –> 40:39.780] So there would be some drama.
[40:39.780 –> 40:40.280] Yeah.
[40:41.300 –> 40:42.740] Which was entertaining.
[40:42.740 –> 40:44.580] I didn’t actually know there was a time.
[40:44.580 –> 40:49.780] I think I did see that happen once, but also just very entertaining because it’s like a
[40:49.780 –> 40:53.780] little like soap, like soap, drama, whatever.
[40:53.780 –> 40:54.280] Yeah.
[40:54.280 –> 40:56.760] Okay.
[40:56.760 –> 41:03.240] So for that one, what you would like, like if it were to be a game, like how would you
[41:03.240 –> 41:04.280] make it into a game?
[41:05.240 –> 41:06.280] The collecting.
[41:06.280 –> 41:11.000] So the collecting the poop, the poop, the fecal matter, whatever you want to call it
[41:11.000 –> 41:20.520] was interesting because we had to specifically identify it with a specific individual specimen.
[41:20.520 –> 41:24.520] So I think that’s part of where the challenge could come into play.
[41:24.520 –> 41:29.720] The best time to collect the poop was when they were right, like right waking up.
[41:30.520 –> 41:35.960] They tend to sleep together in like little huddles where their tails will intertwine.
[41:35.960 –> 41:40.280] It’s very cute, but makes poop identification a little harder.
[41:40.280 –> 41:40.780] Yeah.
[41:41.400 –> 41:47.000] So I feel like having them make like it could be like a little mini game where they would
[41:47.000 –> 41:52.440] like run around underneath underneath the monkeys and we’re trying to catch the poop
[41:52.440 –> 41:59.000] and be like, okay, I’m 50% sure this came from dilemma or like Dionysus.
[41:59.000 –> 42:00.120] They all started with Ds.
[42:00.120 –> 42:00.620] We need people.
[42:02.120 –> 42:07.800] That’s so cute that like I imagine like a game where like you’re saying like, so they’re
[42:07.800 –> 42:15.560] running in the treetops above you pooping and you have like three buckets that you’re
[42:15.560 –> 42:22.600] carrying and like depending on which one did the deed like as it’s falling, you have to
[42:22.600 –> 42:23.640] put up that bucket.
[42:25.320 –> 42:28.760] And so you have like these three buckets and you’re like, oh crap, I need to switch to
[42:29.400 –> 42:30.920] the Dionysus bucket.
[42:32.520 –> 42:33.080] Okay.
[42:33.080 –> 42:34.760] Yeah, I would definitely play that.
[42:34.760 –> 42:35.720] I haven’t had a lot of fun.
[42:36.440 –> 42:38.920] And like my brain goes to like all aspects of it.
[42:38.920 –> 42:46.680] So then you would take it back to the lab and you would do the enzyme immunoassay that
[42:46.680 –> 42:54.280] would get out the hormones so you could like gamify all of that somehow.
[42:54.920 –> 42:55.480] Exactly.
[42:55.480 –> 43:00.760] And I have like I can even see like a collections like a thing where you collect certain number
[43:00.760 –> 43:04.280] of samples would unlock a different discovery or something.
[43:04.280 –> 43:12.840] I could even see an aspect of it where you’re playing as the monkey itself and you’re courting
[43:13.720 –> 43:19.800] the other monkey so you can have a romance component of it if it’s switched from perspective,
[43:19.800 –> 43:20.440] I guess.
[43:20.440 –> 43:21.160] Yeah.
[43:21.160 –> 43:25.560] Or you were just a monkey that was also doing research on your own species.
[43:25.560 –> 43:34.440] Oh, one of the monkeys develops sentience and goes down below can communicate between.
[43:35.800 –> 43:39.800] And this would have a component that Al would enjoy because you have the capability of breaking
[43:39.800 –> 43:40.360] up couples.
[43:42.360 –> 43:46.120] That’s all I can get.
[43:46.120 –> 43:47.800] I couldn’t get over that episode.
[43:49.800 –> 43:55.160] And then like, I also, whenever I think of research, because the other, the other thing
[43:55.160 –> 44:01.080] about games is that they, they can teach you a lot about like what actually happens in
[44:01.080 –> 44:07.640] real life, like the, the reality of it, or you can learn skills that you could then use.
[44:08.440 –> 44:13.480] So my thought was like, you could have, you could then after you’ve collected enough samples,
[44:14.040 –> 44:19.720] if you’re trying to ask like a question, then you could run the stats.
[44:19.720 –> 44:26.680] And I get like, it could be like a simplified version where you just say like, what is this?
[44:26.680 –> 44:29.480] What is your variables?
[44:29.480 –> 44:30.840] What is your dependent variable?
[44:30.840 –> 44:32.040] What is your independent variable?
[44:32.040 –> 44:34.840] And like, what are you, what is the question that you’re asking?
[44:34.840 –> 44:37.800] And then it would like run a program, like an R or something.
[44:37.800 –> 44:38.360] Yeah.
[44:38.360 –> 44:45.080] But like, you don’t have to like do your own coding, but it would literally like be built
[44:45.080 –> 44:50.120] into the game where it’s like, this is like, you just give it answer.
[44:50.120 –> 44:55.480] Like, this is what I, the information that I want is like, or are, is the stress levels
[44:55.480 –> 45:02.120] between Dionysus and whatever, did they change before they broke up?
[45:04.920 –> 45:09.560] We have all of this poop from before the breakup and a couple from after the breakup.
[45:09.560 –> 45:12.760] And like, did the stress hormone levels change?
[45:12.760 –> 45:19.080] I can also make a pitch for not like, not having the relationship aspect be the OWLs.
[45:19.080 –> 45:22.680] Cause obviously like, you know, you could do that, but you could also do it from the
[45:22.680 –> 45:25.720] researcher perspective because you’re, you’re stuck.
[45:25.720 –> 45:30.840] Like this specific project, we were stuck on a farm that didn’t have any like plumbing
[45:30.840 –> 45:33.800] or anything for seven to 10 days at a time, usually.
[45:35.400 –> 45:41.400] So like, we got very close, very, you know, personal and, you know, relationships.
[45:41.400 –> 45:47.880] Relationships naturally start and, you know, can deteriorate our group, unfortunately,
[45:47.880 –> 45:49.800] and not get, we had a lot of drama.
[45:50.920 –> 45:52.040] So, yeah.
[45:53.400 –> 45:58.600] So having like that aspect of it being like play out because you just spent a lot of time
[45:58.600 –> 46:00.200] with the people that you’re researching with.
[46:01.320 –> 46:04.840] So there’s, there’s, I feel like there’s a whole bunch of stuff you can do with stories
[46:05.400 –> 46:06.120] with that alone.
[46:07.400 –> 46:07.900] Yeah.
[46:07.900 –> 46:14.380] Yeah, I’m trying to think, like, do you want to talk about your other one and, or should
[46:14.380 –> 46:15.580] I talk about one of mine?
[46:15.580 –> 46:16.300] You go for it.
[46:16.300 –> 46:16.800] Okay.
[46:17.580 –> 46:22.700] So I have two that I figured I could talk about as that, that we could like gamify.
[46:23.500 –> 46:25.580] So I’ve done a lot of research.
[46:25.580 –> 46:29.340] I’ve done research on deer and elk looking at camera traps.
[46:29.340 –> 46:36.140] I’ve done research collecting frogs for surveys and doing like recording their, their little
[46:36.140 –> 46:38.620] croaks.
[46:38.620 –> 46:47.180] I’ve done research looking at the nesting habits of tree swallows and violet green swallows.
[46:47.180 –> 46:52.380] But I think the two that I would want that I think would have the broadest applicability
[46:52.380 –> 46:59.580] of a game would be like a point count style game.
[46:59.580 –> 47:07.980] So I did a surveys, we went and did these surveys around these snags.
[47:07.980 –> 47:10.940] So these are trees that have been dead for 25 years.
[47:10.940 –> 47:14.060] Like they, they cut these trees 25 years ago.
[47:14.860 –> 47:19.580] Like they topped them, which is just, they went 50 feet up and just was like, and so
[47:19.580 –> 47:22.540] this tree just goes up and then goes nowhere and it’s dead.
[47:22.540 –> 47:33.900] And the whole point is to let it be a dead tree that wildlife could then use and see
[47:33.900 –> 47:37.260] how it gets used by wildlife.
[47:37.260 –> 47:41.740] So they did a survey like five years after something like that.
[47:42.460 –> 47:47.100] They did a survey five years after to see how the trees have been used.
[47:47.100 –> 47:50.540] Like, were there any cavities that were made by any birds?
[47:50.540 –> 47:55.020] And then we went back, it was like 25 years later and we did the same thing.
[47:55.020 –> 48:00.220] So we did these, like, you get to the tree, you look up and down, you see, is anyone using
[48:00.220 –> 48:02.060] the tree and you record that.
[48:02.060 –> 48:05.980] And then we would do these point counts where we sit for 15 minutes.
[48:06.620 –> 48:10.540] I think it was like seven minutes on either side of the tree or something like that.
[48:10.540 –> 48:14.460] And you just listen and you see if you hear any birds.
[48:15.020 –> 48:16.060] So that’s one of them.
[48:16.060 –> 48:22.060] So that’s one of them and then the other thing that we could, the other research project
[48:22.060 –> 48:25.260] that I’ve done, I guess it’s not like a specific research project.
[48:25.260 –> 48:31.340] I’ve done a lot of research projects with bees and specifically looking at bees in forests
[48:31.340 –> 48:36.060] and trying to see if there’s certain habitat characteristics within forests that are good
[48:36.060 –> 48:37.020] for bees.
[48:37.020 –> 48:43.820] So this consists of doing a survey for bees, doing a survey for flowers and then catching
[48:43.820 –> 48:47.180] some bees so that we can identify them.
[48:47.180 –> 48:50.220] Because bees are so freaking small, they fly super fast.
[48:50.220 –> 48:51.260] We can’t identify them.
[48:51.260 –> 48:54.860] As I mentioned earlier, there’s over 4,000 species across North America.
[48:55.900 –> 48:59.020] Each state has usually around four or 500.
[48:59.740 –> 49:01.500] Pennsylvania has like 437.
[49:03.500 –> 49:08.700] So you’re not going to be able, unless it’s like the biggest bumblebee and she lands on
[49:08.700 –> 49:11.180] your finger in front of you and flashes all of her colors.
[49:11.180 –> 49:17.260] You’re not going to see and know from a visual survey who you’re seeing.
[49:17.260 –> 49:20.460] So we catch them and then we identify them and stuff.
[49:20.460 –> 49:27.580] So for the point count research, I could see a super simple game and it could be, it doesn’t
[49:27.580 –> 49:30.140] even have to be like a research aspect game.
[49:30.140 –> 49:34.860] It could just be a birding game because people loved bird and it could be a game that teaches
[49:34.860 –> 49:35.580] you bird song.
[49:36.540 –> 49:38.380] I would love that.
[49:38.380 –> 49:42.060] I would be all over that because I want to learn more bird calls.
[49:42.060 –> 49:45.820] But how do I go about doing it?
[49:45.820 –> 49:46.540] Yeah.
[49:46.540 –> 49:50.940] And so, I mean, if you’re wanting to learn bird song right now, there’s a website called
[49:50.940 –> 49:51.900] Lark Wire.
[49:54.940 –> 49:59.820] You can do like the, there’s like a free version or whatever, but it’s super limited.
[49:59.820 –> 50:01.740] And I think it like kicks you out eventually.
[50:01.740 –> 50:07.260] But you can pay, it’s only like 20 bucks and it gives you like all of the birds of North
[50:07.260 –> 50:13.180] America and you, it then basically provides you with these like flashcards.
[50:13.180 –> 50:19.660] And so it gives you like four or five birds at a time and you click each bird until you
[50:19.660 –> 50:21.260] think you have the sound down.
[50:21.260 –> 50:25.660] You’re like, you’re gonna be like, yeah, I know which song goes to which bird.
[50:25.660 –> 50:29.500] And then you tell it that you want to take a test and then it just gives you, it’s like
[50:29.500 –> 50:33.100] plays one of those birds and then you have to choose one.
[50:33.100 –> 50:36.700] And then it’s either like, yeah, you got it or no, you need to try again.
[50:36.700 –> 50:40.060] And it just does that until you’ve gotten enough correctly.
[50:40.700 –> 50:41.500] Amazing.
[50:41.500 –> 50:43.100] I want this right now.
[50:43.100 –> 50:48.860] And they’re advertising themselves as a complete game-based learning system for mastering bird
[50:48.860 –> 50:50.540] sounds and visual identification.
[50:50.540 –> 50:56.460] And I love you, Cody, for telling me about this because I’m going to be obsessed.
[50:57.020 –> 50:59.740] Yeah, I really like Lark Wire.
[50:59.740 –> 51:10.140] I am pretty sure I have it for my, I have it for PC, not for Mac, which is sad.
[51:10.140 –> 51:14.860] And there’s an app where you can get on the iPhone.
[51:15.740 –> 51:16.620] Amazing.
[51:16.620 –> 51:20.860] Still sad because I need to, yeah, super good.
[51:22.220 –> 51:27.660] But I mean, something that’s like where you are a like, not an NPC, but like you’re a
[51:27.660 –> 51:31.980] character walking through a forest and you could have like the first few times that you
[51:31.980 –> 51:37.420] go, you go with a, uh, an expert and, or you pay the expert.
[51:38.540 –> 51:39.020] Okay.
[51:39.020 –> 51:44.140] So it’d also be really cool if there’s some way in the game for you to get money and then
[51:44.140 –> 51:50.620] you can use the money to go on guided tours and then you could be like, I know what this
[51:50.620 –> 51:51.180] is.
[51:51.180 –> 51:52.140] I love that.
[51:52.140 –> 51:57.740] So you’re essentially like almost, I could see you maybe like being like working on a
[51:57.740 –> 51:59.180] visitor center, essentially.
[51:59.740 –> 52:04.780] And you could, your, your, your job is essentially being like a park ranger.
[52:04.780 –> 52:06.300] I need this game right now.
[52:06.300 –> 52:06.860] Right.
[52:06.860 –> 52:07.260] Right.
[52:07.260 –> 52:11.500] And you’re like, you know, curating like different, like relationships with the people
[52:11.500 –> 52:14.220] you’re working with and the people, your customers.
[52:14.220 –> 52:14.860] Yeah.
[52:14.860 –> 52:18.700] Your income is essentially how well you can identify the birds.
[52:19.340 –> 52:20.140] Oh my gosh.
[52:20.140 –> 52:25.020] And then, yeah, you can have like, maybe, maybe with that one, then you could like invite
[52:25.980 –> 52:31.180] birders that are more experienced and then they can, and like you go with them on these
[52:31.180 –> 52:32.220] walks with people.
[52:33.100 –> 52:33.580] Yeah.
[52:33.580 –> 52:37.420] And then like, you get to learn and then you can take people on walks and be like, oh,
[52:37.420 –> 52:38.460] did you hear that?
[52:38.460 –> 52:40.700] It’s the stellar Shay.
[52:40.700 –> 52:41.660] Oh, did you hear that?
[52:41.660 –> 52:45.420] Oh, look, you see this hole in the way that it is and blah, blah, blah, blah.
[52:45.420 –> 52:48.620] Like this is, it’s probably this kind of bird cause it’s this size.
[52:48.620 –> 52:50.300] Uh huh.
[52:50.300 –> 52:57.900] It would be amazing if it was like IRL, like, like famous, like, or, I can’t, ornithologist.
[52:57.900 –> 52:58.620] Ornithologist.
[52:58.620 –> 52:58.940] Yeah.
[52:58.940 –> 52:59.440] Yes.
[52:59.820 –> 53:05.100] Like there’s like different like tiers and levels where you have to be able to successfully
[53:05.100 –> 53:09.980] identify a certain number before you can have like the prestige or whatever, to be able
[53:09.980 –> 53:13.660] to ask for tutoring from one specific person.
[53:13.660 –> 53:15.020] That would be really cool.
[53:15.020 –> 53:15.740] Right.
[53:15.740 –> 53:21.740] And I feel like people would play it not just for the like run a nature center, but also
[53:21.740 –> 53:23.420] from the, I want to learn birds.
[53:24.060 –> 53:24.780] Yeah.
[53:24.780 –> 53:25.260] Yeah.
[53:25.260 –> 53:26.700] I want to learn.
[53:26.700 –> 53:31.500] I would pay like larkware money right now so I can learn it.
[53:31.500 –> 53:35.820] But if I could do so in a way that it’s fun, I’m here for it.
[53:36.540 –> 53:42.140] And I mean, imagine like there are so many opportunities for downloadable content because
[53:43.340 –> 53:45.100] you so many birds.
[53:45.100 –> 53:45.980] There’s so many birds.
[53:45.980 –> 53:51.340] And you could have like, like, you’re the first time that the game comes out, it’s spring.
[53:52.220 –> 53:58.700] And then you have the like summer season and then you have the fall migration season and
[53:58.700 –> 54:07.740] then amazing or another DLC that you could have is like, go to a different visitor center
[54:07.740 –> 54:10.140] in like a different state to try and help them.
[54:10.860 –> 54:13.740] And there’s completely different birds like some of the birds are gonna be the same,
[54:13.740 –> 54:15.740] but some of the birds are gonna be different.
[54:15.740 –> 54:18.220] Like you could have quest lines essentially.
[54:18.220 –> 54:18.860] Yeah.
[54:18.860 –> 54:25.740] For different visitor centers around the nation as you become more and more like famous for
[54:25.740 –> 54:28.140] your birding skills, I guess.
[54:28.140 –> 54:34.540] I can imagine a quest where like a visitor just went on a hike in your area and comes
[54:34.540 –> 54:36.540] to you and is like, Hey, I saw this.
[54:36.540 –> 54:38.540] I saw a bird that looked like this.
[54:38.540 –> 54:43.820] And you can show like you, you have like a journal that you’ve been curating with everything
[54:43.820 –> 54:45.900] that you know, and you can be like, is it this one?
[54:45.900 –> 54:47.980] And if they’re like, no, it was a little bit different than that.
[54:47.980 –> 54:52.140] Because if like, if you’re wrong, if you guessed incorrectly or something, and then maybe if
[54:52.140 –> 54:56.220] you guessed incorrectly, like three times, then they’re like, you know, I just it’s not
[54:56.220 –> 54:58.460] in your book, you haven’t seen it yet.
[54:58.460 –> 55:01.740] And then you know that you need to go wherever they were.
[55:01.740 –> 55:05.500] And you need to find that bird because it’s a bird you’ve not seen yet.
[55:06.300 –> 55:07.180] I love this.
[55:07.180 –> 55:08.700] I love this.
[55:08.700 –> 55:09.500] I love this.
[55:09.500 –> 55:15.260] And I feel like this this idea could be turned into like, you can like you can change it
[55:15.260 –> 55:20.780] to plants like change it to from a visual from a like an auditory like identification
[55:20.780 –> 55:26.300] change it to a visual identification for different flowers or grasses.
[55:26.300 –> 55:31.820] And I hear grasses are like the worst like the the hardest things to identify.
[55:31.820 –> 55:32.320] Yeah.
[55:32.320 –> 55:37.280] But you know, do trees because that could be a lot easier.
[55:37.280 –> 55:38.160] I want this.
[55:38.160 –> 55:39.200] I want this.
[55:39.200 –> 55:40.240] I want this.
[55:40.240 –> 55:41.840] I can supply the content.
[55:41.840 –> 55:42.880] Yep, game devs.
[55:45.920 –> 55:48.880] I can’t make a game, but I could supply a lot of content.
[55:48.880 –> 55:54.320] I want to learn coding so I can make a game for this reason because I have an idea of
[55:54.320 –> 55:59.520] essentially gamifying something else like wastewater treatment plants that I feel like
[55:59.520 –> 56:04.560] there’s there’s capability of making that gamified.
[56:04.560 –> 56:05.440] Please talk.
[56:05.440 –> 56:05.920] Tell us.
[56:05.920 –> 56:06.560] Tell us more.
[56:07.440 –> 56:12.240] Well, I haven’t obviously put in a lot of like thought into it, but essentially you’re
[56:12.240 –> 56:16.400] wastewater operator and you’re running a treatment plant and you have to learn how to, you know,
[56:17.200 –> 56:21.840] run the system, learn all the different parts, the intake, you know, clarifiers, what have
[56:21.840 –> 56:27.440] you, and also learn like the different like levels, like optimal levels for running the
[56:27.440 –> 56:31.920] plant, you know, different like oxygen or pH or what have you.
[56:31.920 –> 56:35.760] What do the bugs, the bugs of the bacteria, that’s like just a colloquial thing in the
[56:35.760 –> 56:36.480] industry.
[56:36.480 –> 56:39.520] Like what do the bugs particularly like in this treatment plant?
[56:40.960 –> 56:47.360] And like there could be like storm surges or like usually during storms there’s a lot
[56:47.360 –> 56:51.200] of like I and I or inflow and I forget what the other I’s say.
[56:52.400 –> 56:56.480] But like a whole bunch of water comes in all of a sudden and can like, you know, shock
[56:56.480 –> 57:01.120] your system because you have too much water now or someone dumped like a can of paint
[57:01.120 –> 57:02.960] into, you know, their sewer.
[57:03.840 –> 57:10.000] So there’s challenges that I could see being involved with how to make sure your wastewater
[57:10.000 –> 57:12.000] treatment plant is operating great.
[57:12.000 –> 57:13.840] So you’re not polluting the waters.
[57:14.640 –> 57:20.960] I could see that being a whole game where like it’s just about water and clean water
[57:20.960 –> 57:27.120] and cleaning water like in different areas and you start like your base camp is the wastewater
[57:27.840 –> 57:28.640] place.
[57:28.640 –> 57:33.840] But then you might also get like phone calls of people being like, hey, this stream is
[57:33.840 –> 57:34.400] hacked up.
[57:36.800 –> 57:40.480] And then you could go out to the stream and be like, yep, she is hacked up.
[57:40.480 –> 57:47.520] And then you can do some like tests that you’ve learned about in your wastewater treatment
[57:47.520 –> 57:48.000] place.
[57:48.000 –> 57:50.880] And I might be butchering this, I’m sorry.
[57:50.880 –> 57:52.000] You know better than I do.
[57:52.000 –> 57:53.600] I think you’re fine.
[57:53.600 –> 58:00.320] But like wait and then you could say like, oh, here’s how this water is polluted and
[58:00.320 –> 58:02.240] here’s what we need to do to fix it.
[58:02.240 –> 58:04.720] And then you could like higher copper levels or whatever.
[58:06.240 –> 58:11.200] Or like a lot of place a lot of places out here in Pennsylvania have acid mine drainage.
[58:11.200 –> 58:17.280] So like talking about that or talking about, you know, streams that don’t have enough oxygen.
[58:17.280 –> 58:22.880] And so there’s a lot of algae or something, you know, there’s a lot so much you can do
[58:22.880 –> 58:23.360] with this.
[58:23.360 –> 58:31.840] Yeah, so much just like you just a game about water quality and the ways that you can improve
[58:31.840 –> 58:37.760] water quality and the way the water that we use, aka the water treatment plant or the
[58:37.760 –> 58:45.120] water that’s in natural areas that we that gets messed up by us also exactly.
[58:45.120 –> 58:54.240] I think I can recall actually one one someone I think partner with AWWA, which is American
[58:54.240 –> 58:58.400] American Water Works Association Works Association.
[58:58.400 –> 58:59.280] I think so.
[58:59.280 –> 59:04.000] I’m going to say I think I’m pretty sure they came out with an app that I discovered like
[59:04.000 –> 59:05.120] last September or something.
[59:05.120 –> 59:08.560] So I have to go back and look at it and it seemed like a city builder, but there’s so
[59:08.560 –> 59:12.960] much you can do in the world of water, like infrastructure or even water quality.
[59:12.960 –> 59:18.720] And I am specifically like I want to create a water quality game because there is a need
[59:18.720 –> 59:24.880] for more like for a workforce need like 50 over 50 percent of the people are within retiring
[59:24.880 –> 59:25.840] age at this point.
[59:25.840 –> 59:31.360] So like our water infrastructure is it’s very important and if everyone’s like all the
[59:31.360 –> 59:36.160] knowledge is retiring, then like who’s going to make sure we get we have clean water to
[59:36.160 –> 59:38.960] drink and, you know, excrete.
[59:38.960 –> 59:42.400] Yeah, we use it every day.
[59:42.400 –> 59:43.400] Uh-huh.
[59:43.400 –> 59:44.400] Uh-huh.
[59:44.400 –> 59:45.400] But I digress.
[59:45.400 –> 59:48.160] No, I think that’s a really good like the rest of this.
[59:48.160 –> 59:51.840] That was one of the things I was going to ask about for me, because from your perspective,
[59:51.840 –> 59:58.000] because I know that you do work with water in this game, like I just work with bees that
[59:58.000 –> 01:00:08.760] I don’t know, it’s I always like I always think about a zombie apocalypse situation.
[01:00:08.760 –> 01:00:15.920] I had a story in my mind of of being a wastewater treatment plant in a zombie apocalypse.
[01:00:15.920 –> 01:00:16.920] Yes, you need it.
[01:00:16.920 –> 01:00:17.920] You need it.
[01:00:17.920 –> 01:00:22.600] Because that’s the thing is like so it is you are very high value in a waste in a zombie
[01:00:22.600 –> 01:00:23.600] apocalypse.
[01:00:23.600 –> 01:00:26.600] I am not.
[01:00:26.600 –> 01:00:31.200] I mean, you could identify like I think I feel like plants and like birds and stuff
[01:00:31.200 –> 01:00:37.880] that I can’t and that that is not going to do you find edible things like know what’s
[01:00:37.880 –> 01:00:39.840] poisonous and what’s not.
[01:00:39.840 –> 01:00:44.800] I know a little bit of that, but like because most of the time it’s it’s insects.
[01:00:44.800 –> 01:00:52.580] It’s like this do you want to know what kind of bee this is in an apocalypse situation?
[01:00:52.580 –> 01:00:59.580] People are going to be like, we need food to be like, but you just learn how to like
[01:00:59.580 –> 01:01:02.880] grow like how many plants like 500.
[01:01:02.880 –> 01:01:03.880] That’s true.
[01:01:03.880 –> 01:01:04.880] I did.
[01:01:04.880 –> 01:01:05.880] I did plant.
[01:01:05.880 –> 01:01:06.880] I did 500 plants.
[01:01:06.880 –> 01:01:09.120] Your skills are definitely transferable to apocalypse.
[01:01:09.120 –> 01:01:10.120] Okay.
[01:01:10.120 –> 01:01:14.000] I feel like we’re I don’t know what our topic is, but I am enjoying this conversation.
[01:01:14.000 –> 01:01:15.240] No, no, no.
[01:01:15.240 –> 01:01:23.640] I think it’s now I’m envisioning a game that’s about a zombie apocalypse and you’re a waste
[01:01:23.640 –> 01:01:25.640] for a dream.
[01:01:25.640 –> 01:01:26.640] Yes.
[01:01:26.640 –> 01:01:27.640] Yes.
[01:01:27.640 –> 01:01:28.640] Yes.
[01:01:28.640 –> 01:01:29.640] Game devs come to us.
[01:01:29.640 –> 01:01:31.080] What else do you pitch ideas?
[01:01:31.080 –> 01:01:32.520] What else do you need?
[01:01:32.520 –> 01:01:39.280] Like what someone who’s a hunter someone who knows like like you said like a forager knows
[01:01:39.280 –> 01:01:44.480] what to forage and what to eat and what’s not like a carpenter who can build things.
[01:01:44.480 –> 01:01:51.200] Probably a blacksmith, but like honestly, he knows the the art of blacksmith thing at
[01:01:51.200 –> 01:01:52.200] this age.
[01:01:52.200 –> 01:01:53.200] Yeah.
[01:01:53.200 –> 01:01:55.920] It’s a bit advanced at this point.
[01:01:55.920 –> 01:01:57.720] Okay.
[01:01:57.720 –> 01:02:02.720] And then my last idea, my last idea is the bees.
[01:02:02.720 –> 01:02:12.760] So I would love a game that is all about kind of restoring like a prairie or restoring an
[01:02:12.760 –> 01:02:19.880] area that you know used to have a good amount of bees or a good like healthy like insect
[01:02:19.880 –> 01:02:22.540] population in general.
[01:02:22.540 –> 01:02:24.340] But it doesn’t anymore.
[01:02:24.340 –> 01:02:30.840] And you know, so you would have to look, you’d have to do a survey in that area, but also
[01:02:30.840 –> 01:02:36.760] in like the area surrounding that area to see, okay, there’s like what bees exist here
[01:02:36.760 –> 01:02:43.680] now and what do they need that could improve their lives?
[01:02:43.680 –> 01:02:47.560] Like do you have just bumblebees?
[01:02:47.560 –> 01:02:51.320] And so you just need to create more like cavities for them.
[01:02:51.320 –> 01:02:57.040] Do you have small carpenter bees which are called the genus Ceratina?
[01:02:57.040 –> 01:03:04.980] So does that mean that you need to make sure that you leave grass and like reeds and sticks
[01:03:04.980 –> 01:03:10.280] that they can go down into and create little nests in and make sure that you don’t disturb
[01:03:10.280 –> 01:03:11.280] those?
[01:03:11.280 –> 01:03:16.080] Like because some areas people are like, you know, burn the area so that all of this vegetation
[01:03:16.080 –> 01:03:17.080] can come back up.
[01:03:17.080 –> 01:03:22.720] But what if like there were a ton of little baby Ceratina and all that grass that you
[01:03:22.720 –> 01:03:25.460] just burned?
[01:03:25.460 –> 01:03:30.000] So but so it would be the game would be about like recording what is there now.
[01:03:30.000 –> 01:03:35.920] So doing some type of survey and getting the information of what is there now.
[01:03:35.920 –> 01:03:44.400] And it’s honestly, it’s like Zoo Tycoon because in Zoo Tycoon you’re given some animals at
[01:03:44.400 –> 01:03:47.240] first and you have to be like, okay, what does this thing need?
[01:03:47.240 –> 01:03:51.320] And then you have to like and you have some areas that you like build for them.
[01:03:51.320 –> 01:03:55.800] So you’d be like, okay, I need to make sure that this area has this for this thing, this
[01:03:55.800 –> 01:03:58.160] for this thing, and this for this thing.
[01:03:58.160 –> 01:04:06.880] And then you would look at what’s like in the area, say that someone has built a pollinator
[01:04:06.880 –> 01:04:09.720] meadow very close, but not the poll.
[01:04:09.720 –> 01:04:14.000] There are pollinators that are using that that are not using your meadow.
[01:04:14.000 –> 01:04:19.640] You can kind of do like a brief survey there, see what’s there and then say, oh, the reason
[01:04:19.640 –> 01:04:25.400] that the bees from this meadow aren’t coming over here, over to my like area that I’m trying
[01:04:25.400 –> 01:04:31.960] to recover is because I don’t have enough bare ground, like they need sand.
[01:04:31.960 –> 01:04:39.880] So it’d be like all about kind of building like a natural area for these insects and
[01:04:39.880 –> 01:04:45.920] kind of like in Zoo Tycoon after a while, you’re so well, you’re so good at what you’re
[01:04:45.920 –> 01:04:48.640] doing that they’ll give you endangered things.
[01:04:48.640 –> 01:04:53.440] They’ll be like, okay, you can have this now.
[01:04:53.440 –> 01:04:58.280] So maybe like throughout the game, like every now and then you’d see something that was
[01:04:58.280 –> 01:05:04.920] new and you’d be like, okay, this like, why is this here and how do I make it stay?
[01:05:04.920 –> 01:05:09.080] For a lot of the butterflies, it would be about planting larval host plants.
[01:05:09.080 –> 01:05:13.200] So milkweed, for example, that’s how you get monarchs.
[01:05:13.200 –> 01:05:18.620] Or you could look and be like, oh, man, like, I really want this one butterfly.
[01:05:18.620 –> 01:05:20.240] It needs lupins.
[01:05:20.240 –> 01:05:26.560] And so then you would plant lupins, like lupin flowers, and then you could possibly get that
[01:05:26.560 –> 01:05:27.560] butterfly.
[01:05:27.560 –> 01:05:31.360] So it would be all about that and creating that.
[01:05:31.360 –> 01:05:34.480] But also about like the, you know, identification.
[01:05:34.480 –> 01:05:38.600] I don’t know how to like do like an identification minigame where you go and you collect like
[01:05:38.600 –> 01:05:43.680] one and then you have like a 3D model and it’s like, how many?
[01:05:43.680 –> 01:05:49.080] I can’t even think of an easy way to say this.
[01:05:49.080 –> 01:05:51.800] How many submarginal cells does it have on the wing?
[01:05:51.800 –> 01:05:54.080] How many does it have an aureole?
[01:05:54.080 –> 01:05:59.960] Like does it have, which is like a little footy, footy pad in between its tarsal claws
[01:05:59.960 –> 01:06:01.600] that helps it grip things.
[01:06:01.600 –> 01:06:02.600] Does it have that?
[01:06:02.600 –> 01:06:04.900] Does it like how many stripes on this back?
[01:06:04.900 –> 01:06:05.900] What color is it?
[01:06:05.900 –> 01:06:10.800] Like all of these things are things that I use to identify bees all the time.
[01:06:10.800 –> 01:06:15.000] Having like a little 3D minigame of like, okay, here’s your thing.
[01:06:15.000 –> 01:06:16.000] Count the segments.
[01:06:16.000 –> 01:06:20.900] Yeah, count the antenna, count the antenna segments, like manipulate the specimen.
[01:06:20.900 –> 01:06:23.900] And so you can count the antenna segments.
[01:06:23.900 –> 01:06:24.900] Do this, do that.
[01:06:24.900 –> 01:06:25.900] Yeah.
[01:06:25.900 –> 01:06:26.900] I think it’d be so cool.
[01:06:26.900 –> 01:06:33.000] Even if they only had like a hundred, like five, like a very small number because of
[01:06:33.000 –> 01:06:36.040] the work to animate all these different species.
[01:06:36.040 –> 01:06:43.760] See, the cool thing is that like, there are some things that like, I think there’s a Cincinnati
[01:06:43.760 –> 01:06:52.840] or Cleveland zoo, like one of those actually has a 3D images of 3D microscopic images of
[01:06:52.840 –> 01:06:55.480] insects that you can use.
[01:06:55.480 –> 01:07:01.120] That’s so your work is already like halfway done, you can just use those models.
[01:07:01.120 –> 01:07:02.120] Yeah, exactly.
[01:07:02.120 –> 01:07:03.560] I love this.
[01:07:03.560 –> 01:07:06.600] And like, honestly, this is, this is how identification works.
[01:07:06.600 –> 01:07:11.040] Like you, you like take note of different qualities and then you like X out like, okay,
[01:07:11.040 –> 01:07:15.920] it can’t be the species because it only has like this number of like segments or I’m thinking
[01:07:15.920 –> 01:07:17.760] more specifically of plants and trees.
[01:07:17.760 –> 01:07:18.760] Yeah.
[01:07:18.760 –> 01:07:20.160] I mean, you could do it for plants too.
[01:07:20.160 –> 01:07:23.720] Like you could see like, okay, what plants are here?
[01:07:23.720 –> 01:07:27.380] Like you could have like a clicker, that’s a bee clicker that like is so you’ll only
[01:07:27.380 –> 01:07:32.240] click bees and then you’d have one that’s like a, like another mode that you’re like,
[01:07:32.240 –> 01:07:34.200] I want to know what plant this is.
[01:07:34.200 –> 01:07:35.960] Like what plant do I need to plant here?
[01:07:35.960 –> 01:07:37.340] What, what do I need to do?
[01:07:37.340 –> 01:07:41.120] And then you could be looking at the herbarium specimen.
[01:07:41.120 –> 01:07:45.960] Cody, I feel like we need to like quit our jobs and learn coding so that we can create
[01:07:45.960 –> 01:07:46.960] these games ourselves.
[01:07:46.960 –> 01:07:51.880] You know what would be funny is if we made these games and we were so proud of ourselves
[01:07:51.880 –> 01:07:54.160] and then like two people bought it.
[01:07:54.160 –> 01:07:57.480] It would be us.
[01:07:57.480 –> 01:08:03.040] Like, I could see so many like farming games already have components of these.
[01:08:03.040 –> 01:08:07.760] Like you already make like Zoo Tycoon has this, like, like planting Pacific flowers
[01:08:07.760 –> 01:08:14.720] to track different types of honey and stardew.
[01:08:14.720 –> 01:08:20.720] So like there’s elements and Slime Rancher, I also thought of Slime Rancher, I think I
[01:08:20.720 –> 01:08:26.760] believe you could create different dens or creature like things or whatever they’re called
[01:08:26.760 –> 01:08:28.480] for different types of slimes.
[01:08:28.480 –> 01:08:32.280] So like these, this is all there, but we could make it so it’s real.
[01:08:32.280 –> 01:08:37.920] So people can like actually learn from these game mechanics that already exist.
[01:08:37.920 –> 01:08:38.920] Yeah.
[01:08:38.920 –> 01:08:43.680] You could also do a protein lipid, not protein lipid, well, I mean, you can do that too,
[01:08:43.680 –> 01:08:46.580] but a pollinator plant pollinator networks.
[01:08:46.580 –> 01:08:54.440] So you could catch like a little bee and scrape off her pollen, like just the pollen that
[01:08:54.440 –> 01:09:00.340] she has on her at that moment and then do a palynology, which is looking at the pollen
[01:09:00.340 –> 01:09:05.600] under a microscope to see what kind of pollen she had, because then, you know, if like,
[01:09:05.600 –> 01:09:09.040] for example, if you had a super rare bee and you’re like, okay, what is, what does this
[01:09:09.040 –> 01:09:10.040] bee using?
[01:09:10.040 –> 01:09:12.720] Like, what is she collecting pollen on?
[01:09:12.720 –> 01:09:15.520] And then you could do this, you could get her pollen and see, and then you’d be like,
[01:09:15.520 –> 01:09:17.840] okay, she really wants this echinacea.
[01:09:17.840 –> 01:09:20.760] I need to plant a million more of this echinacea.
[01:09:20.760 –> 01:09:21.760] Yeah.
[01:09:21.760 –> 01:09:23.760] Because that’s what she wants.
[01:09:23.760 –> 01:09:27.920] And that’s the kind of stuff that I can do.
[01:09:27.920 –> 01:09:32.360] Like this is stuff that I do.
[01:09:32.360 –> 01:09:37.920] Looking and seeing what bees prefer in a habitat, seeing if they like, do they like more shrubs?
[01:09:37.920 –> 01:09:39.120] Do they like more bare ground?
[01:09:39.120 –> 01:09:41.720] Do they like more of X, Y, Z?
[01:09:41.720 –> 01:09:47.720] And then make, like, once I figure out, you know, who likes what and what’s the best for,
[01:09:47.720 –> 01:09:56.740] you know, for all parts, then I try and educate people about what to do on their properties.
[01:09:56.740 –> 01:10:00.680] Like change this one thing, like, hey, your property is all ferns.
[01:10:00.680 –> 01:10:02.880] That’s not great.
[01:10:02.880 –> 01:10:09.400] It looks really pretty for a little bit of the of the year, but it’s not great for bees.
[01:10:09.400 –> 01:10:11.360] It’s not great for a lot of insects.
[01:10:11.360 –> 01:10:15.700] So maybe have a part of it that isn’t just ferns, you know, something like that.
[01:10:15.700 –> 01:10:16.700] So yeah,
[01:10:16.700 –> 01:10:20.800] There’s so much you could do so much.
[01:10:20.800 –> 01:10:26.840] And like, I’m now like envisioning like a way to like gamify like chemistry, like mixing
[01:10:26.840 –> 01:10:32.520] potions is essentially what like you do for chemistry.
[01:10:32.520 –> 01:10:39.040] There’s just different methods and like, create a little game of like minigame for like titration
[01:10:39.040 –> 01:10:40.040] or something.
[01:10:40.040 –> 01:10:41.040] I don’t know.
[01:10:41.040 –> 01:10:46.680] We there’s, there’s so many things we could do.
[01:10:46.680 –> 01:10:47.680] Yeah.
[01:10:47.680 –> 01:10:50.920] There are options, that is for sure.
[01:10:50.920 –> 01:10:51.920] Uh huh.
[01:10:51.920 –> 01:10:55.240] Uh, yeah, I mean, so that’s pretty much all I really am.
[01:10:55.240 –> 01:10:56.240] Uh huh.
[01:10:56.240 –> 01:11:00.960] I mean, I can come up with like, I feel like a million more ideas and some of it from just
[01:11:00.960 –> 01:11:03.080] like the work that I’ve done.
[01:11:03.080 –> 01:11:07.880] Like even like I worked at a smell, taste and scent like smell and taste center and
[01:11:07.880 –> 01:11:12.080] like you could do like little samples on people’s tongues and make a minigame of like making
[01:11:12.080 –> 01:11:17.360] sure you put the right drop on the right part of the tongue for a taste sample.
[01:11:17.360 –> 01:11:18.360] Yeah.
[01:11:18.360 –> 01:11:19.360] It’s bananas.
[01:11:19.360 –> 01:11:20.360] Uh huh.
[01:11:20.360 –> 01:11:21.360] Thanks.
[01:11:21.360 –> 01:11:22.360] Thanks so much.
[01:11:22.360 –> 01:11:23.360] Thanks so much.
[01:11:23.360 –> 01:11:29.720] And like people love playing games, but I just want passive, like education.
[01:11:29.720 –> 01:11:30.720] Yeah.
[01:11:30.720 –> 01:11:32.120] This is what I want.
[01:11:32.120 –> 01:11:36.480] I don’t have time to take a course, but I want to be able to play games and have fun
[01:11:36.480 –> 01:11:37.480] and also learn.
[01:11:37.480 –> 01:11:45.320] Yeah, I want to be sitting on my couch pretending that I’m owning a visitor center in a state
[01:11:45.320 –> 01:11:49.960] park and then go to that state park and be like, I know all of this.
[01:11:49.960 –> 01:11:50.960] Right?
[01:11:50.960 –> 01:11:51.960] Right.
[01:11:51.960 –> 01:11:52.960] Exactly.
[01:11:52.960 –> 01:11:53.960] I learned this.
[01:11:53.960 –> 01:11:58.640] Like I learned about this bird in this game.
[01:11:58.640 –> 01:12:06.880] So game devs hire us or alternatively, uh, Yosemite or Yellowstone or whatever hire us
[01:12:06.880 –> 01:12:18.040] as the, cause I mean, it would just take someone who is like a naturalist or a forester, like
[01:12:18.040 –> 01:12:19.040] you said.
[01:12:19.040 –> 01:12:20.760] Um, what did you say?
[01:12:20.760 –> 01:12:24.600] A park ranger, someone who knows the area, like that’s who you just need to talk to.
[01:12:24.600 –> 01:12:30.800] Like what are, what are the, what is the flora and fauna of the area and like, it is their
[01:12:30.800 –> 01:12:31.800] job essentially.
[01:12:31.800 –> 01:12:32.800] It is.
[01:12:32.800 –> 01:12:33.800] It’s literally their job.
[01:12:33.800 –> 01:12:34.800] Yeah.
[01:12:34.800 –> 01:12:35.800] This is their job.
[01:12:35.800 –> 01:12:37.040] They’re happy to.
[01:12:37.040 –> 01:12:38.040] Cool.
[01:12:38.040 –> 01:12:45.840] Well, Bev, where can listeners find you on the, on the websites and the interwebs?
[01:12:45.840 –> 01:12:55.800] I am pretty much everywhere at, uh, bevgranger711, oh, so P-E-V-G-R-A-N-G-E-R, 7-1-1, um, Twitter,
[01:12:55.800 –> 01:13:00.600] Instagram, uh, Macedon, what have you, um, how about you, Cody?
[01:13:00.600 –> 01:13:11.040] I am on, uh, Instagram at hikingbeagle, uh, beagle is B-E-E-G-A-N-G-E.
[01:13:11.040 –> 01:13:15.400] Someone recently said that I should do that recently and I was like, yeah, yeah, I should.
[01:13:15.400 –> 01:13:20.160] I think it was during the last time we talked, cause I remember you talking about that.
[01:13:20.160 –> 01:13:29.240] I was like, yeah, uh, so I did it and, um, and then, uh, Twitter at Cody Mathis, just
[01:13:29.240 –> 01:13:32.600] my name, um, I am not on Macedon yet.
[01:13:32.600 –> 01:13:37.160] If, if Twitter shuts down, I’m just going to be gone.
[01:13:37.160 –> 01:13:38.160] I don’t have enough time.
[01:13:38.160 –> 01:13:41.720] I am slowly trying to migrate, but it’s very slow.
[01:13:41.720 –> 01:13:42.720] Yeah.
[01:13:42.720 –> 01:13:47.680] Um, you can find the podcast, um, on Twitter at THSPOD.
[01:13:47.680 –> 01:13:53.400] If you want to give us any feedback, um, or see the show notes or anything, so you can
[01:13:53.400 –> 01:13:55.480] see links of the stuff that we’ve talked about.
[01:13:55.480 –> 01:13:58.680] Um, that is all at harvestseason.club.
[01:13:58.680 –> 01:14:04.800] Um, I know that recently we were talking about how we want more feedback or more questions.
[01:14:04.800 –> 01:14:12.100] Like if people send in questions, uh, for us to talk about, then situations like this
[01:14:12.100 –> 01:14:16.680] where we were like, well, wait, what do we, what do we talk about?
[01:14:16.680 –> 01:14:20.260] We would have like a back, like a backlog of questions available.
[01:14:20.260 –> 01:14:25.600] So to give answers to what you want to know, or even ideas, if you have like ideas like
[01:14:25.600 –> 01:14:31.400] our, like we just talked about today, I do want to know people’s ideas of how, like,
[01:14:31.400 –> 01:14:37.340] if you are a, if you’re a researcher, if you’re not a researcher, if you are a, if you work
[01:14:37.340 –> 01:14:42.280] at an Amazon factory, I don’t even know how would you game a fire job?
[01:14:42.280 –> 01:14:49.120] Um, you can follow the podcast, uh, on Patreon at patreon.com slash THSPOD.
[01:14:49.120 –> 01:14:53.720] Um, yeah, I think that’s pretty much it.
[01:14:53.720 –> 01:14:55.240] Thank you Bev for joining me.
[01:14:55.240 –> 01:14:56.240] Thank you.
[01:14:56.240 –> 01:14:59.200] This is so much fun.
[01:14:59.200 –> 01:15:05.720] And tune in for part two, where we actually discuss research, story of the game, the actual
[01:15:05.720 –> 01:15:15.200] game that we both have and downloaded to play more of, and hopefully we’ll be able to critique
[01:15:15.200 –> 01:15:25.040] like how well they did it now that we’ve laid all this out there, um, and maybe, maybe from
[01:15:25.040 –> 01:15:27.000] playing the game, we’ll have more ideas.
[01:15:27.000 –> 01:15:28.000] I think so.
[01:15:28.000 –> 01:15:29.000] Okay.
[01:15:29.000 –> 01:15:40.240] Well, until next time, have a good harvest.
[01:15:40.240 –> 01:15:45.360] The Harvest Season is created by Al McKinley with support from our patrons, including our
[01:15:45.360 –> 01:15:48.600] pro farmers, Kevin and Stuart.
[01:15:48.600 –> 01:15:54.560] Our art is done by Micah the Brave and our music is done by Nick Burgess.
[01:15:54.560 –> 01:16:00.680] Feel free to visit our website, harvest season.club for show notes and links to things we discussed
[01:16:00.680 –> 01:16:02.400] in this episode.
[01:16:02.400 –> 01:16:14.320] Um, I mean, I’m going to be playing research story on it, so yeah, I struggle with that
[01:16:14.320 –> 01:16:19.680] a little bit because I am exclusively playing PC games on my steam deck at this point.
[01:16:19.680 –> 01:16:26.520] I found a way to make that work with research story so far, but it is, I, I look forward
[01:16:26.520 –> 01:16:31.840] to controller compatibility in the future because it is not as fun to play with.
[01:16:31.840 –> 01:16:38.800] That’s a peeking behind the curtain for people who might want to listen to research story
[01:16:38.800 –> 01:16:39.800] later.
[01:16:39.800 –> 01:16:42.480] You’re giving away the secrets already.
[01:16:42.480 –> 01:16:43.480] Oh my goodness.
[01:16:43.480 –> 01:16:48.880] I mean, who knows by the time we cover it, who knows what’s going to happen?
[01:16:48.880 –> 01:16:49.880] Yeah.
[01:16:49.880 –> 01:16:51.440] So much could have changed by that.
[01:16:51.440 –> 01:16:52.440] I don’t know.
[01:16:52.440 –> 01:16:56.440] I’ll cut this.
[01:16:56.440 –> 01:17:22.160] He’s not going to, he’s going to spitefully keep it in.